When the Browns can get a QB who can be as efficient as Wilson in those 25 attempts (based off last year's numbers), then we can tout him as a potential Super Bowl caliber quarterback.
Right now, they've got nothing close.
Never said Hoyer is as talented as Wilson, and even said as much in my post.
However, he still hasn't started enough games to determine whether he can be efficient enough to win the whole thing. With a great running game, a dominant D, I think Hoyer's smart enough to be a QB who can get us there.
As far as Farmer's philosophy about QB goes & how he's building this team, this is from an interview from February:
Q: Aren’t those teams the ones with established elite quarterbacks? So isn’t sustained success a result of finding an elite quarterback?
Some people can define it that way.
I don’t know that I would necessarily agree with that.
Q: Why wouldn’t you? Name one team that is constantly in the playoffs without having an elite quarterback?
My
question back to you is: Is the quarterback the impetus why they win?
Q: I would answer yes.
I
would say the quarterback is part of the puzzle but he doesn’t define those teams.
Q: This concept of drafting for value. Doesn’t Russell Wilson throw that out the window? In other words, teams shied away from taking Wilson until the value was right. But every team waiting for the right value really blew it, didn’t they?
I don’t think Russell Wilson fits for everybody.
If you take Russell Wilson and drop him in with a different team, is he the same player? I don’t think his skill set matches everybody’s team. You have to take people that resonate and fit what you’re trying to do. To me, the players that pop are players that are asked to do the things that they do best. If you take a Russell Wilson or a Colin Kaepernick that are not a scheme fit for somebody else and you ask them to do things out of their scope, you’re not going to have the same type of success that you have when you put them in positions to have success. I think that’s a critical component.
That certainly doesn't seem like a guy who thinks the QB position is the lynch pin of the entire team...
Yeah....no. Farmer is building the best team he can with the assets he has. We are weak at wide reciever, and to make that work you need a peyton manning class quarterback, which we dont have. Our running game has been surprisingly good, but the two opponents have not been great tunning defenses, so jury is out for a few games. We are also weak on the pass rush, and these two weaknesses make us a mediocre team. Better than the cluster f we have bern watching, but not superbowl bound.
So Hoyer has time to refine his game. Why make a QB move, if you dont have the targets to throw to. But if nothing gets better for either Hoyer or Manziel, eventually we fix the other problems, and come back to QB.
And people are right about the average but mistake free QB being good enough, IF you have the stout defense, a solid running game, and the occasional big play. But I think in today's NFL, you need more than that to win it all...
-I'm not sure I'd say the running game being good is "surprising". They put a lot of effort into improving the running game & having a stout OL..
-We have 5 sacks through 2 games, T10th in the NFL.
-Nobody said the team is superbowl bound or that we're more than a mediocre team right now. The entire argument is that you can win without an elite QB, if said QB is efficient enough.
-Just last season, Seattle proved your last sentence wrong. Stout D, good running game, stout OL, occasional big play, QB who doesn't throw a lot & is mistake free...