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More than the amount that have elite QBs.
Okay, which teams do you think have great defenses and good running games?
More than the amount that have elite QBs.
Having a QB whose line "isn't horrific" does not seem to me to be a good enough reason to pass on a QB in the first round.
BTW, just so you don't think I've got something against Hoyer, he grew up on my street, which wasn't a big one so I saw him a lot. Sentimentally, I'd love for him to succeed. But I don't think sentiment should be the guide when the primary concern is winning.
Okay, which teams do you think have great defenses and good running games?
So far in his "career", has he not proven he can win?!
I am guessing you want Marcus or hope to god you don't want Winston. What would you give up for Mariota next year? If the Browns decide Johnny isn't the answer.
Texans
Ravens (prior to Rice going bye-bye, at least)
Niners
Seahawks
Bengals
Cardinals
Bills
Chiefs (at least as of last year...they lost some key guys to injury early this year)
Panthers
There are some other teams that might have good to great defenses this year, but it's too early to tell:
Browns - Looked good after that disastrous first half in game one.
Vikings - Well, now that Peterson might be gone their run game will probably suck, but still.
Saints - Did a major defensive overhaul in the off-season, but the results haven't been there yet.
Rams - Seem pretty loaded on defense, but the results aren't there yet.
Bucs - Have looked pretty good defensively, but their offense blows.
And that's not including teams like the Bears and Steelers, both of which fell into the defense/running mold until falling off a couple of years ago due to age/injury.
Anyway, this isn't an either/or decision when building a team. Are you saying you'd bypass a franchise QB in the draft to draft someone else, because that other position is more valuable than a franchise QB?
He has proven that he can win, and he has proven that he can lose. What's your point?
I am talking about passing on any QB the front office thinks has reasonable potential to be a franchise QB. I'm not one of these guys who assumes that my predictions about how specific players will perform in the future are infallible, so generally, I give the FO the benefit of the doubt. And if the FO sees Mariota or any of those other available QB's as having reasonable potential to be a franchise guy in the first round, I hope to god we don't pass over them just because our current QB is "not horrific".
And I have to say that the idea that you can win with a great defense and good running games means that you pass on a franchise QB if one is available is lunacy. Teams don't choose not to have a franchise QB. The only reason any team doesn't have one is because they haven't been able to get one.
You said the primary concern should be about winning. He has proven he can. He has proven he can stay in games. Let the year go by and see how he plays and then we can make a decision. Of course you want your QB to progress. I am not sitting here saying, "As long as this shitbrain can put out just about average stats/decisions, we have a winner!" But if he continually shows progress and doesn't lead our team to a losing streak, you keep him in there.
Back to the great point of..we have no idea how anybody is going to turn out. We apparently thought/think Manziel is going to be great. NE had no idea Brady was going to be a great QB from the 6th round. GB drafted Rodgers and had him sit 3 years but had no idea he was going to come out and dominate like he did. I HOPE Manziel takes the Rodgers route, can sit and learn and show progress throughout the season and be our QB of the future, so we don't have to waste MORE picks on one.
Edit: I nominate Q-Tip for the RCF Ban Bowl v2. I feel like he would of been a good one!
Hey, feel free to PM the mods and say I should be banned.
I wonder if Hoyer has that on his business card.
Brian "not horrific" Hoyer.