The Cavs and the salary cap

[col63onel]

Bumping this this thread again, even though it go no traction last year. Might not get a lot of traction this year, either, due to the Cavs limited resources. If you have any questions about what moves the Cavs can or cannot do, this might be a good place to put them.

A quick primer of the assets/restraints the Cavs have:

- 5.2 million to sign any FA from the taxpayer MLE. They can split the 5.2 between different players if they so choose. The most they can sign a player for with this exception is 3 years.

- Full Larry Bird Rights on Kyler Korver, meaning the Cavs can sign him for any amount of money up to his max. This could be for 4 years.

- Early Bird rights on both DWills. Basically, they can sign either for a little above the vet min. This can be for up to 4 years. If they want to go significantly above the vet min, they'll need to use the taxpayer MLE.

- Right now, the Cavs are slated to be a tax paying team AND above the apron. Unless they severely cut salary, they will stay that way. Besides costing Gilbert a lot of tax dollars, it prohibits the Cavs from using the Bi-annual Exception (a little over 3 mil), the full 8mil MLE, or accepting anybody in a Sign and Trade. Also, in any trade, they can only accept 125% plus 100k of outgoing salary.

 

[Alec]

Or as they say in Ebonics, "we be fucked."

 

[FrontPageNews]

What are our trade exceptions looking like?

 

[edwinx]

Pls don't forget we also have a TPE from Korver trade good for January 2018. I know the team is already way over tax line but just pointing out that it is what we have.

 

[col63onel]

We actually have 4 trade exceptions, which @cdt keep track of here

http://realcavsfans.com/community/i...2016-2017-team-salary-and-trade-assets.47175/

 

[Huber.]

Would anyone retiring help us? James Jones, RJ.....Kay Felder?

 

[OptimusPrime]

Would anyone retiring help us? James Jones, RJ.....Kay Felder?

That depends on what you mean. We would probably be better off on the court, but it won't free up enough money to do anything.

 

[seohioguy]

I'm not sure that is even enough to get us someone who is useful for 10 minutes a game.

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[PITCavsFan]

What's the rule on trading guys we acquire via an exception? For example, say we acquire 2 guys with exceptions for a total of $7 million in salary ($4.8 guy from the Dunleavy exception, $2.2 million guy from the Mo exception)...can we immediately trade the two players totaling $7 million for another guy making $7 million? Or do we need to wait/hold for X amount of time? If so, how long?

 

[MirORich]

I'm not sure that is even enough to get us someone who is useful for 10 minutes a game.

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Well the Warriors got ZaZa and West last year for the MLE and vet min. It's an uphill battle but it's possible.

Are most optimal way to add talent though will likely be via trade and/or if Melo gets bought out anytime between now and March or WAde gets bought out after the all star break.

As far as non big three related trades are best bet is Shump and/or Frye with Cedi and/or a future 1st attached

 

[col63onel]

What's the rule on trading guys we acquire via an exception? For example, say we acquire 2 guys with exceptions for a total of $7 million in salary ($4.8 guy from the Dunleavy exception, $2.2 million guy from the Mo exception)...can we immediately trade the two players totaling $7 million for another guy making $7 million? Or do we need to wait/hold for X amount of time? If so, how long?

2 months

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q100

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to players who were acquired using an exception (and not cap room).

 

[inliner311]

Well the Warriors got ZaZa and West last year for the MLE and vet min. It's an uphill battle but it's possible.

Are most optimal way to add talent though will likely be via trade and/or if Melo gets bought out anytime between now and March or WAde gets bought out after the all star break.

As far as non big three related trades are best bet is Shump and/or Frye with Cedi and/or a future 1st attached

I feel like the best bet is try to go get a couple fringe rotation players like Derrick Williams. Guys that are at a cross roads, they aren't young enough anymore for a team to feel like they are a development project and they just haven't developed to being that solid #6-8 rotation guy. LeBron has the tendency to make everyone better.

The front office has tried the past their prime ring chasers and the d-leaguer that have high potential but have a major flaw to overcome. The ring chasers hasn't worked out great for this team at all. We have gotten one player to truely contribute in Richard Jefferson in 3 years. That is one out of 10 (Haywood, James Jones, Marion, Mike Miller, Perkins, Dantey Jones, Mo Williams, Deron Williams, Andrew Bogut, and Birdman)

It's time to try the fringe rotation players who get left out of big money contracts and are looking for a minimum contract to get on a team and show in a year or two from now they might be worth a large long term contract. We are looking for guys to fill out 7-10 in our roster so they just need to take the next step. If we were looking for stars it would be another story.

 

[Los216]

I feel like the best bet is try to go get a couple fringe rotation players like Derrick Williams. Guys that are at a cross roads, they aren't young enough anymore for a team to feel like they are a development project and they just haven't developed to being that solid #6-8 rotation guy. LeBron has the tendency to make everyone better.

The front office has tried the past their prime ring chasers and the d-leaguer that have high potential but have a major flaw to overcome. The ring chasers hasn't worked out great for this team at all. We have gotten one player to truely contribute in Richard Jefferson in 3 years. That is one out of 10 (Haywood, James Jones, Marion, Mike Miller, Perkins, Dantey Jones, Mo Williams, Deron Williams, Andrew Bogut, and Birdman)

It's time to try the fringe rotation players who get left out of big money contracts and are looking for a minimum contract to get on a team and show in a year or two from now they might be worth a large long term contract. We are looking for guys to fill out 7-10 in our roster so they just need to take the next step. If we were looking for stars it would be another story.

Jeff Green would fit this but he probably will get offers better than the minimum from some teams.

 

[MrX]

The ring chasers hasn't worked out great for this team at all. We have gotten one player to truely contribute in Richard Jefferson in 3 years. That is one out of 10 (Haywood, James Jones, Marion, Mike Miller, Perkins, Dantey Jones, Mo Williams, Deron Williams, Andrew Bogut, and Birdman)

Didn't expect much from most of them. Bogut Deron and Marion are the only ones that felt like a let down. Guess you could throw Birdman in but Danty did all you could expect. JJ Miller and Perkins was done before they ever played here and Mo was back up for Irving and did very well while he was out. Just didn't need him after that. I'm ok with old ring chasers just need to leave the obvious ones with nothing left alone. Like to see Bogut brought back

 

[fan0283]

I feel like the best bet is try to go get a couple fringe rotation players like Derrick Williams. Guys that are at a cross roads, they aren't young enough anymore for a team to feel like they are a development project and they just haven't developed to being that solid #6-8 rotation guy. LeBron has the tendency to make everyone better.

The front office has tried the past their prime ring chasers and the d-leaguer that have high potential but have a major flaw to overcome. The ring chasers hasn't worked out great for this team at all. We have gotten one player to truely contribute in Richard Jefferson in 3 years. That is one out of 10 (Haywood, James Jones, Marion, Mike Miller, Perkins, Dantey Jones, Mo Williams, Deron Williams, Andrew Bogut, and Birdman)

It's time to try the fringe rotation players who get left out of big money contracts and are looking for a minimum contract to get on a team and show in a year or two from now they might be worth a large long term contract. We are looking for guys to fill out 7-10 in our roster so they just need to take the next step. If we were looking for stars it would be another story.

Very underrated point about our ringchasers being a bust.

Then you also realise there's something fundamentally wrong with our player development when you look at Golden state who retooled their bench with guys like McCaw and McGee while we buried potential contributors like Derrick on our bench. Damn Lue once again. No vision for player development or roleplayer roles. Same goes for our FO

Also helps that the likes of Zaza and David West took huge discounts to support their stars while our support guys are looking for the biggest payday possible. The more I think about it the more I realise how badly we (players, coach and Front office) contributed to our current situation.