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TheISHT said:
I'm sorry but Cavs wouldn't pay 50 mill more in taxes when Chandler is out for the year.
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No need to apologize and that goes without saying. To maximize the value of their large trade exception, the Cavs will intelligently and diligently make their moves within a very calculated, structured timeframes to avoid penalty deadlines and not have to fork out foolish penalty $ without having a concise detailed plan in moving forward.

I completely agree the Cavs will not fork over 50 million, or 5 x/ dollar over in luxury tax for a player on the IR.... Master of the obvious statement. To go a step further, I don't think the Cavs will use the large exception at all that will benefit/add to the roster for this 2015/16 season....that is unless a once in a franchise opportunity presented itself that would be worth the price and alter the existing rotation with Jefferson etc.

The absolute key to maximizing the value and return on investment relative to any addition or moves the Cavs make regarding their exceptions will be completely predicated into which the timelines they fall upon. The Cavs must make their moves in specific, particular time windows to not only maximize their return on investment value, but more importantly, to minimize any crippling luxury tax penalty costs associated with not adhering to the same timelines. It's absolutely essential to each's success.

April 13th 2016 is a LONG ways away, and so many things can and will happen between now and then to completely and accurately predict where the Cavs will sit come income tax day with both it's roster and tax bill. For those unfamiliar, April 13th is the key date to keep in mind relative to the luxury tax. It is not only the last day of the regular NBA season, it's also the day where each team's final roster's salaries are tabulated for luxury tax purposes. What's important about this are several things. Most important is adding a Chandler type where today as the cap sits the Cavs stand to pay 5x over every dollar over the cap, the Cavs wouldn't be responsible for that tax hit until April 13th 2016, and so many things can happen between trades, but outs, you name that will trim or inflate a teams payroll over the course of 6-8 months. Hypothetically the Cavs could move Andy's 9.2 million expiring salary by the deadline and what looked to be a 50 million dollar tax implication adding a Chandler type contract In January, ends up being significant less come the date which matters the most, April 13th.

The other key date to all this is July 28 2016, which is the expiration date the Cavs must use their available exceptions created in trade with Portland for both Miller and Haywood.

When you know these dates an understand the importance and dynamics to both... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand how the Cavs must systematically go about in maximizing the use/value o their exception, while minimizing it's cost.

For the Cavs rouse their 10 million exception this season, that would be added before April 13th, which would like the previous poster alluded carry close to a 50 million dollar price tAg, barring a salary dump such as Varejao tex which would minimize the end year tax bill turned in April 13th. I very seriously doubt ANY player will become available this year worth that tax bill that would be that much of a roster/franchise difference maker.

In saying this, that doesn't eliminate or preclude the Cavs from using and or taking advantage of the trade exception asset to use later to add to this roster. It just has to happen in a certain timeframe.

The only thing that makes sense to me for the Cavs to do this season is to use the smaller exception and trade for an Alonzo Gee type, a defensive asset at the backup 3 position, to pair along with Jefferson to ride out this season.

I think the bigger Haywood exception move will be made after this season, or anytime between April 14 and July 28, the exceptions expiration date. This would extend the April 13 tax deadline date til 2017, ample time to manipulate roster salaries and also to take as stage if the salary cap rising.

If the Cavs were to trade for Chandler, it would be for their future, not immediate help this year. If some right, it woul cost them only a fraction of the cost doing it outright today would. It all has to do with doing everything along the correct timelines.
 
NBA: Pelicans have made Eric Gordon available on the trading block. It's very likely that Gordon will be traded by the deadline in Feb.

Got this from Cavssportstalk Twitter.
 
Rob said:
Here's a name nobody else has mentioned: Arron Afflalo.

Versatile wing that can play multiple positions, plays great defense and has been a good 3 point shooter in his career. Depth on the wing is huge and he would be great in small ball lineups. I know the Knicks just signed him, but they suck and he's 30. Phil might want that cap space back (plus a pick).
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Don't see him being available., and don't see the Knicks trading him here, and honestly I'm not sure he's much of an upgrade over Shump/J.R., and that's just a lot of money for Affalo, and we'd have to find a pick to give up(We should really try hard to not trade any more picks unless it's an emergency because the team is good enough as constructed to win the title).

Then I also don't see Phil willing to help the Cavs after how Griffin basically bent him over last year and stole J.R. and Shumpert.

Furthermore, I think the Knicks are trying to make the playoffs, don't see them trading Affalo, who is actually a good fit around Melo and Porzingis. If that team could add a solid point guard(Dragic actually would make that team really interesting. Miami isn't the right fit for him. Don't see any way the Heat trade him there, but a Goran/Affalo/Melo/Porzingis is probably a borderline playoff team that can do some interesting things.


I don't think the exceptions are going to happen this season barring a big injury between now and the deadline. The sheer cost of a move, coupled with the fact that we're already a deep team and don't really need anything...just makes it unrealistic to expect a trade before the deadline.

We really just need to, now that we have everyone back, settle on basically on our 8-9 best guys, and roll with it, using the additional depth as purely situational. Even if it hurts AV's, Mo's and Jefferson's feelings, I expect them to all be professionals about it and be ready to perform when we do need them to.

But Kyrie/Shump/Bron/Love/Moz/TT/JR/Delly is basically our core 8 and it's a damned good team. Finally we are rounding back into a health team and hopefully can become a more cohesive unit over the next month or two, and use that built cohesion to maybe reel off a serious post-all star break stretch where we can remind teams and ourselves why we were 2 games away from a title last year without Kyrie and Love contributing at all.

Kyrie and Shump's injuries and timing of their comebacks really put the Cavs in a hole to start the season, but we've battled through it well, and we have just enough time to get this team to peak going into the playoffs, which is exactly what you want to do.

***(though we could sure use a mobile 4/5 combo big who can defend Draymond Green and not be really limited offensively, and Josh Smith might be the only realistic option available, but I'm not sure I see the Clippers moving him either....and also not a big fan of getting guys specifically to deal with 1 team/player. )
 
bigfigga12 said:
If the Cavs were to trade for Chandler, it would be for their future, not immediate help this year. If some right, it woul cost them only a fraction of the cost doing it outright today would. It all has to do with doing everything along the correct timelines.
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I'm very intrigued by the idea of seeing if we could grab Chandler while he languishes on the injured list. The prudent thing to do would be to wait and see if an emergency necessitates the use of the exception, but what a ballsy and potentially game-changing move if we grab him to stow away for the future. His value is at an all-time low and the West is looking dire at the moment. Any chance Denver would want to clear room to try to sign somebody for a playoff push?
 
JMoneyYourHoney said:
I'm very intrigued by the idea of seeing if we could grab Chandler while he languishes on the injured list. The prudent thing to do would be to wait and see if an emergency necessitates the use of the exception, but what a ballsy and potentially game-changing move if we grab him to stow away for the future. His value is at an all-time low and the West is looking dire at the moment. Any chance Denver would want to clear room to try to sign somebody for a playoff push?
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I doubt it. Chandler is something you maybe explore in the off-season if we can pull together the assets, but I'm sure there will be better offers and Denver might not even really want to trade him, but he's a nice combo forward and if e were healthy I think could have been a big enough asset because he's big enough to guard 4's and could bea big part of a small ball line-up.

I'd be intrigued in kicking around the option of Chandler in the summer if we can figure out how to make it work and hopefully avoid giving up too many assets of the few we do have. Though if he came back healthy Chandler himself becomes enough of an asset to where it doesn't matter what we gave or or could probably at least flip him back somewhere else for a pick.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
I doubt it. Chandler is something you maybe explore in the off-season if we can pull together the assets, but I'm sure there will be better offers and Denver might not even really want to trade him, but he's a nice combo forward and if e were healthy I think could have been a big enough asset because he's big enough to guard 4's and could bea big part of a small ball line-up.

I'd be intrigued in kicking around the option of Chandler in the summer if we can figure out how to make it work and hopefully avoid giving up too many assets of the few we do have. Though if he came back healthy Chandler himself becomes enough of an asset to where it doesn't matter what we gave or or could probably at least flip him back somewhere else for a pick.
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I just don't think we have enough to get him in another scenario. I'm suggesting we "cheat" by grabbing him well below market value while he's injured.

It would be a very risky move, but a potentially massively rewarding one. Flipping Brendan Haywood for Wilson Chandler straight-up would be an even bigger coup than what Griff was able to do with Waiters.
 
JMoneyYourHoney said:
I just don't think we have enough to get him in another scenario. I'm suggesting we "cheat" by grabbing him well below market value while he's injured.

It would be a very risky move, but a potentially massively rewarding one. Flipping Brendan Haywood for Wilson Chandler straight-up would be an even bigger coup than what Griff was able to do with Waiters.
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The economics of it are just so scary.

Chandler is a good player but I think he's a bit overrated. He's also injury prone.

In the last 6 years, he's only played 50 or more games twice.

This season he'll miss all 82. In 2012 he missed 74 games and in 2013, 39 games.

Last year was the first year he played in 70 since 2011.

I think they Cavs just need to be patient. The trade market will clear up a bit more as we get deeper in to the season.

The only real seller at his point, based on team payroll is Brooklyn but I don't see anyone on that team that is worth spending tax dollars on.

For the Cavs to make a significant move, I think it means they would be moving Mozgov but we'll see.
 
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I'd like to get Chandler as main rotation wing but we need somebody who can play this season as well.

The problem is 3&D guys are as valuable as never before.. they are not had to be cheap these days..

Guys on Playoffs Teams like Ariza etc will be off limits for "just cap space".
Maybe somebody like Covington can be had from Phi for the smaller exeption and a 2nd rounder(if possible)

I really dont know who to get with the large exeption right now.

Eric Gordon? injury prone and not a good defender.
Kevin Martin? .. see Eric Gordon..

Jeff Green?

i dont see a "i want him badly AND he is on the trade block" guy right now..
 
After looking at more stuff on Covington, I don't think Philly would let him go. He is regarded as their best perimeter player and their only 3-point threat besides the near-unplayable Nick Stauskas. But if we could get him it would be very good -- he has been injured this year so his stats are off but he is a great 3&D prospect.

But the age of the below the radar 3&D specialist who could be picked up for a song are over. Probably have to develop those kinds of guys in house or through the draft. If Blatt does it right we could be on the road to developing our own new 3&D guard in Jared Cunningham.

I do think that greater scouting efforts are likely to turn up some good 3&D guys who have not gotten serious playing time yet and could be developed. There are probably some number of undiscovered college and overseas guys who have the size to play on the perimeter and, given experience, have the physical tools to play defense well and shoot open shots from distance.
 
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So Windhorst thinks the Cavs need markieff morris to defend draymond

Here's a few reasons Windhorst states it could work.

  • Morris is a talented big man.
  • He is readily available due to his attitude issues.
  • LeBron James helped J.R. Smith play team basketball and defense, he can control Markieff.
  • The Cavs don’t have a backup power forward.
    • Tristan Thompson is a center (now starting) as is Anderson Varejao.
    • James Jones isn’t really a big man, though he can stretch the floor.
  • Morris is on a reasonable contract for the next couple of years.
  • The Cavs have very few ways to add talent over the next few years.
  • The Cavs have the biggest Traded Player Exception (TPE) in the NBA.
 
gratefuldead said:
So Windhorst thinks the Cavs need markieff morris to defend draymond

Here's a few reasons Windhorst states it could work.

  • Morris is a talented big man.
  • He is readily available due to his attitude issues.
  • LeBron James helped J.R. Smith play team basketball and defense, he can control Markieff.
  • The Cavs don’t have a backup power forward.
    • Tristan Thompson is a center (now starting) as is Anderson Varejao.
    • James Jones isn’t really a big man, though he can stretch the floor.
  • Morris is on a reasonable contract for the next couple of years.
  • The Cavs have very few ways to add talent over the next few years.
  • The Cavs have the biggest Traded Player Exception (TPE) in the NBA.
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TBH, they are fair points but JR never thew hissy fits like Keef. JR was just bonkers when it came to shot selection. Keef is certainly a talented big man and has good offensive arsenal but would he be happy coming off bench and playing 15 odd mins? Not much idea about his defense though.

Anyway, we have LeBron who TBH will be playing a lot more at 4 as well. I would still prefer a versatile wing than a 4 like Keef. But, its certainly something to think about for Griff and co.
 
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