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Just say no to Josh Smith. Stay strong with the No Knuckleheads Policy.
 
natedagg said:
Just say no to Josh Smith. Stay strong with the No Knuckleheads Policy.
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I figured someone would go with JR. Love the pic w Blatt seething back there, but I think the comparison is lazy. JR has largely changed his ways and had a previous relationship with LeBron. He was also a throw in for Shump. So if josh smith also gets us a starter in a trade, then the Policy will be revisited.

If you think JR is indeed a knucklehead, then we've met our quota. I think pipe's past overshadows his talent sometimes. It's a "here we go again" feeling, and I have had it too. But didn't he tie or break several records last year? This was supposed to be a throw in, mind you, and I doubt we looked to acquire him alone.
 
natedagg said:
I figured someone would go with JR. Love the pic w Blatt seething back there, but I think the comparison is lazy. JR has largely changed his ways and had a previous relationship with LeBron. He was also a throw in for Shump. So if josh smith also gets us a starter in a trade, then the Policy will be revisited.

If you think JR is indeed a knucklehead, then we've met our quota. I think pipe's past overshadows his talent sometimes. It's a "here we go again" feeling, and I have had it too. But didn't he tie or break several records last year? This was supposed to be a throw in, mind you, and I doubt we looked to acquire him alone.
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I love JR. I always loved his game, but he always appeared distracted and his issues got the best of him. While I think he is over all of that and focused, part of me thinks he will either revert to his old ways or just straight up beef with Josh Smith. Not worth the risk imo.

That and Josh Smith takes shitty shots.
 
natedagg said:
I figured someone would go with JR. Love the pic w Blatt seething back there, but I think the comparison is lazy. JR has largely changed his ways and had a previous relationship with LeBron. He was also a throw in for Shump. So if josh smith also gets us a starter in a trade, then the Policy will be revisited.

If you think JR is indeed a knucklehead, then we've met our quota. I think pipe's past overshadows his talent sometimes. It's a "here we go again" feeling, and I have had it too. But didn't he tie or break several records last year? This was supposed to be a throw in, mind you, and I doubt we looked to acquire him alone.
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I feel ya. JR changed his way b/c Lebron and Blatt provided a structure that was obviously lacking in NY. Smith's fondness for Blatt has only made the situation that much better. Before coming to Cleveland, Smith was THE knucklehead of the NBA, according to the media. It amazes me how quickly people write off the fact he won 6th man of the year a mere three years ago.

LBJ is the great equalizer when acquiring players with a spotty past. Not sure what his relationship is to Josh Smith (didn't they play together in the USA qualifiers in 08 or 12?) With that said, the only hole i see on this team is more versatile athletic. Jefferson's been great in his limited role but if we had to expand upon that in the playoffs due to unforeseen circumstances *cough injuries cough*, i'd be worried. Josh Smith seems like a good fit personnel-wise. Team wise? That would depend on LBJ and Blatt.
 
Kbiz8288 said:
I feel ya. JR changed his way b/c Lebron and Blatt provided a structure that was obviously lacking in NY. Smith's fondness for Blatt has only made the situation that much better. Before coming to Cleveland, Smith was THE knucklehead of the NBA, according to the media. It amazes me how quickly people write off the fact he won 6th man of the year a mere three years ago.

LBJ is the great equalizer when acquiring players with a spotty past. Not sure what his relationship is to Josh Smith (didn't they play together in the USA qualifiers in 08 or 12?) With that said, the only hole i see on this team is more versatile athletic. Jefferson's been great in his limited role but if we had to expand upon that in the playoffs due to unforeseen circumstances *cough injuries cough*, i'd be worried. Josh Smith seems like a good fit personnel-wise. Team wise? That would depend on LBJ and Blatt.
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I just can't get behind Josh's on-court game on offense. Say he hits a jumper, then we find him in the corner for a 3. Next time down, we are swinging the ball around the perimeter. Is Josh passing it? I just don't see it.

A buddy of mine lives in NYC and said that JR would fly down to Miami the night before a HOME DAY GAME to party and then fly back. Now it's likely hyperbole but that's a little cray. So he deserved a bit of that, but that was then and this is now.

I see us as a championship caliber team when healthy (prob need 15-20 games with the major pieces playing together). We are in the top 3 somewhere as constructed. I just don't see this dude coming in and helping whatsoever, but don't get me wrong, if the Policy is broken, I will still embrace him with open arms.
 
natedagg said:
I just can't get behind Josh's on-court game on offense. Say he hits a jumper, then we find him in the corner for a 3. Next time down, we are swinging the ball around the perimeter. Is Josh passing it? I just don't see it.

A buddy of mine lives in NYC and said that JR would fly down to Miami the night before a HOME DAY GAME to party and then fly back. Now it's likely hyperbole but that's a little cray. So he deserved a bit of that, but that was then and this is now.

I see us as a championship caliber team when healthy (prob need 15-20 games with the major pieces playing together). We are in the top 3 somewhere as constructed. I just don't see this dude coming in and helping whatsoever, but don't get me wrong, if the Policy is broken, I will still embrace him with open arms.
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Blatt seems to finally have control over this team from the psyche standpoint. When a player is struggling, he is quick to pull them without hesitation. He doesn't look over his shoulder anymore b/c our team trusts him.

We have seen it with Mo when he is playing his "ole" defense. We've seen it with Smith when he becomes unfocused. We've see it when Love is frequently subbed out in the 4th. I don't envision him treating Josh Smith any differently if he joined the team or anyone for that matter. You play to your strengths, within your role, to benefit the TEAM.
 
Since we're just pinning guesses on the donkey, my 2 cents:

Capt. America is not super useful (surprise) and slow shooting guards don't draw a premium, but Sixers are pretty much an open audition, so let's assume you unload Harris to 76ers to play alongside McConnell (cue jokes) for one of their gazillion 2nd round picks/extreme lottery tickets.

You're probably not going to get anyone real important or noteworthy unless it's a bad contract and those you'll likely have to compete for, esp. given the competition in both conferences.

However you could probably find a young athletic guy ala Jared Cunningham that would fit into the Mike Miller slot. The team doesn't need scoring or even a whole lotta off. skill (can you credibly stand in the corner and shoot 3s?) but an athletic 3 seems almost a must given Shump/JR's varied issues and the increasing possibility that Love will play the 5 with LeBron at the 4. Not sure how many fit that, but I'm thinking a younger less off. skilled version of Grizzlies' Matt Barnes.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/5

Kyle Singler would be an interesting add, he's looked surprisingly good at DRPM but in lmtd mpg. His offense has been AWOL all season
Alonzo Gee would be another possibility, but scores like a broken pinball machine.
If there is any way you can get Dallas' Jeremy Evans you do it. Some way to pry away Sam Dekker from Houston?
 
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As much as I'd love to add another swingman, I'm almost more inclined to wish for Harris to be dealt so we could try to snag another big man behind Timo.

Anderson's leg injury just scares me. Would love to have another rim protector on board.

Optimally, we could have another truly useful big (someone more mobile than Kahn) as well as another useful wing on the roster. That doesn't seem realistic, but it'd be great if we could get one of the two done.
 
Chris Parker said:
Since we're just pinning guesses on the donkey, my 2 cents:

Capt. America is not super useful (surprise) and slow shooting guards don't draw a premium, but Sixers are pretty much an open audition, so let's assume you unload Harris to 76ers to play alongside McConnell (cue jokes) for one of their gazillion 2nd round picks/extreme lottery tickets.

You're probably not going to get anyone real important or noteworthy unless it's a bad contract and those you'll likely have to compete for, esp. given the competition in both conferences.

However you could probably find a young athletic guy ala Jared Cunningham that would fit into the Mike Miller slot. The team doesn't need scoring or even a whole lotta off. skill (can you credibly stand in the corner and shoot 3s?) but an athletic 3 seems almost a must given Shump/JR's varied issues and the increasing possibility that Love will play the 5 with LeBron at the 4. Not sure how many fit that, but I'm thinking a younger less off. skilled version of Grizzlies' Matt Barnes.

EDIT Looking at
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/5

Kyle Singler would be an interesting add, he's looked surprisingly good at DRPM but in lmtd mpg. His offense has been AWOL all season
Alonzo Gee would be another possibility, but scores like a broken pinball machine.
If there is any way you can get Dallas' Jeremy Evans you do it. Some way to pry away Sam Dekker from Houston?
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Dekker had back surgery and is out the rest of the year.

Singler just signed a 5/24M deal and has shot 45/150 since joining OKC almost a year ago. (meaning he would cost the FO >17M/season based on the lux tax).This year in 18 games he is shooting .241/.194/.500 (fg/3/FT). he is a capable defender but I think teams would leave him open to help on LBJ/KI.

Josh Smith can really only play the 4. He was an abject failure at the 3 and Detroit took a financial bath to get him out of that spot. So with KLove/TT/LBJ handling those duties I don't think there is any way he gets 10 min/gm and with the risk of chemistry being a problem I don't think you can do it.

With the cap exploding bad/high $$ contracts just aren't that problematic for teams. With the extra high cost of adding salary to the lux tax, I just don't think we end up adding anyone of importance.
 
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