The ISIS offensive in Iraq

[The Human Q-Tip]

Nah, it's overseas.. Not as dangerous as those tyrannical police whom are trained to go out there and kill kill kill.

Well, one major difference is that there is no "good side" to ISIS at all. For all the problems that may be attributed to the police, the vast majority of law-abiding people would rather have them, than not. There've been a number of occasions where police have more or less withdrawn from high-crime areas, and that's quickly followed by pleas from residents for their return.

That doesn't excuse those occasions on which some police abuse their authority, but some level of that is inevitable given that the police, like every other group in society, are made up of human beings. And some bad eggs are going to get in there.

But there is absolutely nothing redeeming about ISIS or other terrorist groups that seek to attack the U.S. or other western interests. We'd be thrilled if they just disappeared completely, never to be heard from again.

So I'll still choose the police over ISIS, every single time.

 

[AZ_]

People trying to make this ISIS > Police is really microcosmic of how people need to attack gour's argument these days.

Not even remotely close to his position, but I'll give you all some serious cred for going out on a limb and reminding us all that the police are in fact more palatable than ISIS.

There are some of us who are more likely to encounter an asshole cop as opposed to an IED or beheading, was more his point.

Watching the US waste billions in 'Stan only to watch ISIS follow them out, take advantage of what little infrastructure the US put in place and become consistently stronger seems like the second best idea to leaving them the fuck alone.

But that might just be me.

 

[Soda]

People trying to make this ISIS > Police is really microcosmic of how people need to attack gour's argument these days.

Not even remotely close to his position, but I'll give you all some serious cred for going out on a limb and reminding us all that the police are in fact more palatable than ISIS.

There are some of us who are more likely to encounter an asshole cop as opposed to an IED or beheading, was more his point.

Watching the US waste billions in 'Stan only to watch ISIS follow them out, take advantage of what little infrastructure the US put in place and become consistently stronger seems like the second best idea to leaving them the fuck alone.

But that might just be me.

You're missing the entire fucking point, b00bs. So eager to take a side... Do some reading before you take aim at something I said.

Optimus stated that cops are more scary than ISIS. This has nothing to do with gourik or an opinion that poster uttered.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

You're missing the entire fucking point, b00bs. So eager to take a side... Do some reading before you take aim at something I said.

Optimus stated that cops are more scary than ISIS. This has nothing to do with gourik or an opinion that poster uttered.

Yeah, and I can't figure out what one has to do with the other anyway.

 

[OptimusPrime]

Yeah, and I can't figure out what one has to do with the other anyway.

It was about a story that police across the U.S. are on high alert after some ISIS video, which I found ironic since police kill many more Americans than ISIS does.

 

[AZ_]

Optimus stated that cops are more scary than ISIS. This has nothing to do with gourik or an opinion that poster uttered.

In the sense that cops will affect our lives here in the states more than ISIS will overseas, is the entire reason this comparison is being made.

Give ISIS a badge and a squad car downtown on the weekends, and yes I would think a bit differently.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It was about a story that police across the U.S. are on high alert after some ISIS video, which I found ironic since police kill many more Americans than ISIS does.

Guess I just don't see the irony. A hell of a lot more citizens are killed by other citizens than by police, so does that mean we shouldn't care about the occasions where there is a police shooting?

 

[Soda]

Pathetic.

Based off of the assumptions that cops are trained to kill.
That all cops are aiming for the innocent and guilty.
That cops aren't hired to protect law abiding citizens.

The thought that ISIS is less scary than cops is fucking mentally stupid. You've all been alive for longer than ISIS would like. I bet the 3K people who died on 9/11 were more scared of cops and law enforcement than the overseas terrorists...

Fuck out of here.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

In the sense that cops will affect our lives here in the states more than ISIS will overseas, is the entire reason this comparison is being made.

Give ISIS a badge and a squad car downtown on the weekends, and yes I would think a bit differently.

Oh, okay. Would you agree that we'd all be better off is there was no ISIS?
And do you think we'd all be better off if there were no cops?

There are absolutely zero redeeming qualities or positive effects upon American life from ISIS. In contrast, the sheer number of emergency calls made to the police by citizens requesting help -- especially in high-crime urban areas -- suggests that most people think the police are much more of an overall benefit than a harm.

We shouldn't let the good work police do be forgotten when looking at the times they do wrong. That's not an excuse for police to abuse citizens, but it is certainly something we should keep in mind when discussing their merits overall. Comparing them to ISIS is just...obscene.

 

[OptimusPrime]

Guess I just don't see the irony. A hell of a lot more citizens are killed by other citizens than by police, so does that mean we shouldn't care about the occasions where there is a police shooting?

It means what you want it to mean. Figuring something like 12,000 murders over 300,000,000 people, versus 1,100 murders by 900,000 cops, an individual cop is something like 25 times more likely to kill you than an individual American citizen.

 

[Soda]

It means what you want it to mean. Figuring something like 12,000 murders over 300,000,000 people, versus 1,100 murders by 900,000 cops, an individual cop is something like 25 times more likely to kill you than an individual American citizen.

God, this is beyond retarded... There's a qualifier to even be in the "scope" of police. Breaking laws is a prerequisite to law enforcement involvement at all. If you aren't breaking laws, you generally won't see police and 95% of the time no weapon is drawn when cops are even around. You live freely. You're posting your free opinion on this board without fear of retribution.

Everything you do today, yesterday and tomorrow is something ISIS is looking to kill you for. They're looking today, tomorrow and yesterday for a way to kill you. Even trying to recruit your neighbors to get you dead. Nothing you do today or tomorrow will change that.

On the other hand, your dumb ass won't get looked at twice by a police officer unless you do something stupid as fuck. 95% of the time.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It means what you want it to mean. Figuring something like 12,000 murders over 300,000,000 people, versus 1,100 murders by 900,000 cops, an individual cop is something like 25 times more likely to kill you than an individual American citizen.

So you're categorizing every single use of deadly force by a police officer as unjustified murder? Brilliant.

In any case, police officers are employed specifically to prevent crime, stop crimes in progress, and apprehend dangerous criminals. We provide them with guns because we know they might be needed accomplish those tasks. So of course they're going to be more likely than the average citizen to use them. Water is wet.

If you really think we'd all be better off with no police whatever because they're just a bunch of murdering thugs, why not just come out and say so rather than making these bogus comparisons?

 

[AZ_]

Yeah, I think we can move beyond the strawman of "would we be better off with no cops" and move directly into "I wish there were more accountability" for the asshole cops out there.

 

[OptimusPrime]

Everything you do today, yesterday and tomorrow is something ISIS is looking to kill you for.

They aren't looking to kill me. Or you. They are looking to kill U.S. troops in the Middle East, along with whoever else over there they are killing.

This isn't about which group has better people. ISIS are murdering scum. But so is much of our militarized police force. And the fact is that if you are here in the U.S. you are much more likely to be killed by a cop than you are ISIS or a random American. If I was in Iraq I would fear ISIS much more than I do U.S. police.

 

[Soda]

They aren't looking to kill me. Or you. They are looking to kill U.S. troops in the Middle East, along with whoever else over there they are killing.

False. They want you and I dead.