The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[theSTEREO.]

I read someone say it looked like a turn towards Targaryan purple in his eyes.

But the Targaryans don't have purple eyes in the show. Only the books.

Then again, all scenes shot at The Wall were done with a color mask or whatever, so it was basically in black and white.

What?

 

[SixPACK]

Think he was trying to say b/c there's always snow and the buildings/clothes, etc..are dark, all colors generally look white/black. But I have no clue.

In my mind it looks more blue-ish than white. But who cares..I'm confused

 

[Hurl Bruce]

But the Targaryans don't have purple eyes in the show. Only the books.


What?

It just looks to me like the scenes at The Wall are shot with a certain lighting filter to them to make everything look colder or more bleak just like if you look at pretty much any American made movie that has scenes set in Mexico with a yellow/orange hue to them.

http://themetapicture.com/the-mexican-filter/

 

[theSTEREO.]

It just looks to me like the scenes at The Wall are shot with a certain lighting filter to them to make everything look colder or more bleak just like if you look at pretty much any American made movie that has scenes set in Mexico with a yellow/orange hue to them.

http://themetapicture.com/the-mexican-filter/

No, I understand color grading. I was just confused why you said it was black and white.

The wall scenes are always graded to colder hues, but every colorist can make certain parts of a scene look whatever color they want. For instance, you could have a bowl of fruit in the middle of Castle Black, everything would be that cold gray palette, but the banana could still be yellow, and the apples red if that's what the colorist wants to do.

So, if they wanted to make Jon's eyes a certain color, the color theme of the shot wouldn't stop it. In fact, it might make the effect even easier to see.

 

[DawgOnKing]

Hopefully, this is a joke.

Yeah, moving on....

 

[Sebastian]

But the Targaryans don't have purple eyes in the show. Only the books.


What?

Evidently they wanted to have the Targs have violet eyes. However, the proper contact lenses weren't available by the filming date.

 

[Adam]

It looks like my 'Mel is an idiot red priest theory' might have some legs. mild spoilers for season 6 in the link http://www.aintitcool.com/node/72048

 

[Sebastian]

It looks like my 'Mel is an idiot red priest theory' might have some legs. mild spoilers for season 6 in the link http://www.aintitcool.com/node/72048

I will subscribe to that theory. Also, regarding Stannis' fate, just read the official HBO synopsis for "Mother's Mercy." They describe the deaths in the episode.

So:

Ser Meryn Fucking Trant: "You're no one," she tells him and slits his throat."

Myrcella "Baratheon": "The two share a hug, but blood begins to drip from Myrcella's nose. Jaime watches helplessly as his daughter collapses and dies."

Jon Snuuuuh: "A group of men, including [Ser]*Alliser Thorne, take turns stabbing Jon. Olly delivers the final blow. Jon Snow collapses and dies."

King Stannis I: "She informs him of the vow she swore to protect Renly. Defeated, Stannis confesses to his brother's murder. "Go and do your duty," he says, and Brienne brings down Oathkeeper."

Pretty ambiguous even in the synopsis (thought the promo material says Stannis is dead). Combined with the spoiler link you provided where Varys says:

“That sounds excellent. A man named Stannis Baratheon was appointed as the Chosen One by one of your priestesses. He too had a glorious destiny. He attacked King’s Landing, and was soundly defeated by the man standing beside me. Last I heard, he’d been defeated again. This time at Winterfell … and this time for good.”

Sounds like a scenario in which with his army destroyed, but no body is found, he is presumed dead. If Brienne did spare him, for whatever reason, it isn't as if he'd advertise his survival for a while.

In my book, Jon Snow is only "Temporarily Dead" and I am upgrading Stannis from KIA to MIA.


http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/episodes/5/50-mothers-mercy/synopsis.html

* Say what you will about Alliser Thorne, the man is still a knight.

 

[SixPACK]

Pretty long but kind of meshes all the theories into one article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/jon-snow-alive-game-of-thrones-comic-con?ref=yfp (Sorry that it's Vanity Fair, that was the link )

SPOILERS IN QUOTE BOX AHEAD.....

The Comic-Con Panel: Just today HBO announced who would appear on the July 10 Game of Thronespanel at Comic-Con. There’s a pretty decent lineup of actors in attendance: Alfie Allen (Theon/Reek ),John Bradley (Samwell Tarly), Gwendoline Christie (Brienne of Tarth), Liam Cunningham (Ser Davos Seaworth), Natalie Dormer (Margaery Tyrell), Conleth Hill (Varys), Hannah Murray (Gilly),Sophie Turner (Sansa Stark), Carice van Houten (Melissandre), and Maisie Williams (Arya Stark). Noticeably absent from the actor roster, however, is Kit Harington. There’s a tradition of the actors behind freshly-dead characters still making an appearance on the panel; Rose Leslie and Pedro Pascalattended the 2014 Comic-Con panel after their characters died, and Jason Momoa memorably stormed the stage in 2013 long after his character Khal Drogo kicked the bucket.

But Harington’s absence is less notable than some of the behind-the-scenes talent missing from the roster. Author George R.R. Martin announced a few months ago he would be skipping the panel in order to concentrate on writing (finishing?) the sixth book in the series, The Winds of Winter. But for the first time since Game of Thrones started coming to Comic-Con, series creators D.B. Weiss and David Benioffwon’t be attending. That means none of the high-profile creative forces behind Game of Thrones will be on hand to answer audience questions about Jon Snow. Executive producer Carolyn Strauss and director David Nutter (who helmed the finale) will be standing in for Martin, Weiss, and Benioff withGame of Thrones super fan (and book reader!) Seth Meyers moderating. The absence of Weiss and Benioff could have everything to do with timing—Season 6 filming will begin in late July—but it’s also rather fishy given that Comic-Con is usually where Game of Thrones makes its annual casting announcements. Could their absence be a way of dodging questions and keeping the mystery of Jon Snow’s fate alive a little while longer?

The Final Beautiful Death Poster: Fans of the series likely already know about the Game of Thrones“Beautiful Death” artwork commissioned by HBO from digital marketing agency 360i and artist Robert Ball. Ball has created a stunning visual tableau for each episode of the series and you can see them all collected here. The official website describes the “Beautiful Death” posters as “The official episode-by-episode guide to the most iconic deaths in the realm.” So why, then, is Stannis Baratheon’s death the one featured in the Season 5 finale poster? Shouldn’t the honor of “most iconic death” belong to Lord Snow? Very curious.

Word Choice: You can, if you want to, pore over every single sentence Harington, Weiss, Benioff, Martin, etc. have said on the subject of the death of Jon Snow. Harington says he’s not coming back nextseason, but what about Season 7? Jon Snow is dead, but what if he goes by another name when he returns? Etc. and on and on. But that way madness lies. It is worth noting, however, that the languageBenioff used to describe Jon Snow, “Dead is dead,” is a very familiar phrase to book readers. ”Dead is dead“ appears on the very first page of the very first book of A Song of Ice and Fire in reference to, you guessed it, some wildlings who then come back to life. It could be Benioff messing with our heads, or could be a very clever hint.

Kit Harington’s Hair: In Entertainment Weekly’s post-finale interview with Kit Harington, they note that the actor cut his hair “shortly after this interview was conducted.” Harington famously has a clause in his HBO contract that he isn’t allowed to chop his luscious Jon Snow locks. However, it’s likely that Harington interview was conducted several months back, and the cut in question was a trim that enabledthe actor to shove his curls under a period-appropriate wig for BBC’s Testament of Youth. Fans will be relieved to know that as of just this weekend, the Harington hair is still long and flowing.

Season 6 Casting Info: A lot of additional Season 6 casting news has come to light since the finale. As the series diverges further and further from the books, we’re seeing more calls for characters that book readers don’t recognize. But some educated guesses are easy enough. For example, two non-white actors who have to speak a fictional language? I think we can safely assume those characters belong to the Dothraki horde Danaerys meets. But the most interesting casting call is for an unnamed “Legendary Fighter.” He is described as:

“A man in his thirties or forties who is a great swordsman and a paragon of knighthood. He carries a hugely famous sword on his back. The show is seeking a very impressive swordsman for the role- the best in Europe, for a week of filming fight scenes for a season 6 role. His ethnicity/race isn’t specified, unlike many other roles.”

Most book readers have concluded this is a call for a character named Arthur Dayne referred to in the books as “Sword of the Morning” because of his famous ancestral blade. Dayne was the best friend of Dany’s brother Rhaegar Targaryen and carried a sword named Dawn slung across his back. Dayne is long dead when the action of the TV series Game of Thrones begins so he would only show up in flashbacks. And if you don’t want to know why a flashback starring Arthur Dayne is good news for Jon Snow truthers, then you might want to stop reading here.

The only good reason to show Arthur Dayne in flashback at this point is if Game of Thrones was going to do the evocative Tower of Joy plot from the books. In the first book, Ned Stark flashes back to the Tower of Joy while under the influence of Milk of the Poppy. In his dream, Ned’s friends accompany him to the Tower at the end of Robert Baratheon’s rebellion. These seven men—Ned, Howland Reed, Lord Willam Dustin, Ethan Glover, Martyn Cassel, Theo Wull, and Mark Ryswell—square off against three members of the Kingsguard named Gerold Hightower, Arthur Dayne, and Oswell Whent.

Dayne et. al. are protecting Ned’s sister Lyanna who is staying in the Tower after having been “abducted” by Rhaegar. You’ll remember that Littlefinger and Sansa discussed the story of Lyanna and Rhaegar in the crypts of Winterfell last season. Rhaegar is dead by the time Ned reaches the Tower of Joy, so many book readers assume that the presence of the Kingsguard there means that someone royal (a.k.a. Rhaegar’s child) is in that tower with Lyanna. At the end of the battle only Howland Reed (father to Bran’s friends Jojen and Meera) and Ned survive. Ned rushes into the tower too late to save Lyanna, but makes her an unspecified promise as she dies. Most book readers believe that promise is to guard the identity of Lyanna and Rhaegar’s child a.k.a. Jon Snow. Ned pulled down the Tower to mark the graves of the men who fought there and returned Arthur Dayne’s sword Dawn to his family.

So, in short, most believe that the story of the Tower of Joy is the story of Jon Snow’s birth. And why would the show bother, at this point, to show the legendary birth of a character they plan to keep dead? The only reason to tell the story of the Tower of Joy—be it via the lone survivor Howland Reed or a vision from Bran—is to establish Jon Snow’s bonafides as a secret Targaryen who is worthy of resurrection. Jon Snow’s parentage has been a long-running mystery in Game of Thrones fandom and seems as important to the show as it is to the books. Weiss and Benioff claim they landed the rights to adapt Martin’s booksbecause they successfully answered his question, “Who is Jon Snow’s mother?” So why would Snow’s parentage be important? Why cast Dayne and film the Tower of Joy if not to bring him back from the dead? We’ll know for certain next year, but for now it’s looking awfully like a return for the erstwhile Lord Commander.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Finally got the chance to watch the last two episodes (HBO Go apparently does not work in Europe). Holy shit...everyone fucking died.

No idea what this show was trying to do with Stannis. If they were going to butcher his character to that extent, why even put him in the series to begin with? Aside from saving the Wall, I kind of fail to see what the purpose of his involvement in the story was on the show.

 

[Sebastian]

Finally got the chance to watch the last two episodes (HBO Go apparently does not work in Europe). Holy shit...everyone fucking died.

No idea what this show was trying to do with Stannis. If they were going to butcher his character to that extent, why even put him in the series to begin with? Aside from saving the Wall, I kind of fail to see what the purpose of his involvement in the story was on the show.

To be a villain. They succeeded.

Hacks.

 

[D-westfan]

A feast for crows so far, about half way through, is by far my least favorite book.

 

[theSTEREO.]

A feast for crows so far, about half way through, is by far my least favorite book.

It's WAY better the second time through. On my second read, liked Feast and Dance so much more than I did first time around.

Problem with Feast is that you're coming off the action packed Storm, and for like 3/4 of the book you're waiting for big set pieces that don't really show up.

 

[Jack Brickman]

It's WAY better the second time through. On my second read, liked Feast and Dance so much more than I did first time around.

Problem with Feast is that you're coming off the action packed Storm, and for like 3/4 of the book you're waiting for big set pieces that don't really show up.

It's really noticeable when you read three and four back-to-back the first time like I did. I liked Dance a lot better during my first read, though.

 

[D-westfan]

I honestly hate all the chapters with Brienne, and Sansa. And most of the ones with arya (At the temple its getting more interesting.) It all feels like filler to me.