The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[Triplethreat]

Anyone else notice the NK’s symbol has 7 arms?

7 kingdoms. 7 arms. In the middle of it all is Kings Landing.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm looking forward to the moment Cersei finds out that the Army of the Dead has bypassed Winterfell, and there's nothing left between her and all those hungry mouths looking to feed. My guess is that we'll see a mass exodus of smallfolk fleeing south, but Cersei herself will be too arrogant to flee her capital.

The Golden Company refusing her orders and boarding ships for home instead would be icing on the cake.

 

[Triplethreat]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=guhc75cGY2Q

This IS the isle of faces. @The Human Q-Tip nailed it. Has to be where they’re headed. Faces carved into weir wood trees.

This is where the WW’s were created. This is where you see the symbol in the ground with the tree smack in the middle.

I don’t see any reason to believe they are headed anywhere else.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=guhc75cGY2Q

This IS the isle of faces. @The Human Q-Tip nailed it. Has to be where they’re headed. Faces carved into weir wood trees.

This is where the WW’s were created. This is where you see the symbol in the ground with the tree smack in the middle.

I don’t see any reason to believe they are headed anywhere else.

Thing is...I can't really think of anyplace else in Westeros that has any kind of a mystical connection to past events. That's the only reason I thought of it. There just doesn't seem to be anywhere else obvious to go. And I thought that without making any of the connections with the symbols - I didn't notice the symbol around the tree.

Also, the books are much more clear than the show in terms of talking about the "Pact" made by the First Men and the Children. It kind of stood out as the supernatural/mythic event most closely associated with the Children and the WW. And I'm also guessing I'm far from the first person to think this.

 

[Cavatt]

Can anyone provide more context for the God's eye? I don't remember this from the books.

Also what if the Children on the Forest are still behind this? Maybe this is how they will take the world back?

 

[Jack Brickman]

Apparently that symbol was also painted on the wall in the cave on Dragonstone.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Can anyone provide more context for the God's eye? I don't remember this from the books.

Also what if the Children on the Forest are still behind this? Maybe this is how they will take the world back?

The God's Eye is the big lake northwest of KL, and in the middle of it is the Isle of Faces. It's the Isle that is important. What I remember was that was the place where the Children and the First Men made a Pact to live in peace together. There was something about it still being shrouded in mystery, nobody goes there any more, and there are some green men who live there.

It was much more supernatural/mythic than most of the other hardcore, real-live parts of the early books. It stood out to me at that time because of that, and I know for some others as well.

I think it's unlikely that the Children are trying to bring about what is currently happening -- the NK and his buddies just killed a bunch of them.

 

[kosis]

I thought the episode was great outside of the dragon riding scene, for a few reasons. I hate that they played up humor more than the drama. That should have been a heavy, story-altering moment, but it just felt unimportant with the way it was presented.

Mainly though, shouldn't Daenerys know that you have to have Targaryen blood to ride a dragon? I'm pretty sure that's accurate. But she's all "Yeah, go ahead and ride it". Rhaegal being cool with it should have been a reveal in some way where at least both Jon and Dany were weirded out or bewildered. Cheapened the thing for me.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Mainly though, shouldn't Daenerys know that you have to have Targaryen blood to ride a dragon? I'm pretty sure that's accurate. But she's all "Yeah, go ahead and ride it". Rhaegal being cool with it should have been a reveal in some way where at least both Jon and Dany were weirded out or bewildered. Cheapened the thing for me.

The only thing I could come up with is that perhaps she believed that because she let Jon ride her, the dragons would be okay with him riding them. More or less....Basically, that they sensed how she felt about him and so were cool with it.

But I do think it odd there wasn't even a hint that she thought their reaction to him was the least bit unusual.

 

[Cavatt]

I think we need Jon to walk out of some fire unscathed for Dany to realize what is going on. That would make sense as I am sure they will be using fire against the Wights.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Mainly though, shouldn't Daenerys know that you have to have Targaryen blood to ride a dragon? I'm pretty sure that's accurate. But she's all "Yeah, go ahead and ride it". Rhaegal being cool with it should have been a reveal in some way where at least both Jon and Dany were weirded out or bewildered. Cheapened the thing for me.

It's worth noting that the books never give a concrete answer to whether or not people without Targaryen blood can ride dragons. Fire & Blood seems to imply that there may have been some dragon riders who were not Targaryen, although whether or not they had a bit of dragon blood in them is unknown.

Further, Dany basically knows nothing about dragons outside of what she has learned from raising three of them. She didn't even know what they ate when they first hatched. Basically everything she knows is information Viserys, who was an idiot and likely didn't know much more than her, told her, or things she has learned since the dragons hatched.

What Dany does know is that Jon has interacted with her dragons in the past (last season), and they seemed to take to him pretty instantly. Now, we know that it was likely because of Jon's blood, but that would have been the furthest thing from Dany's mind. What's obvious to us isn't necessarily obvious to the characters, but then we have access to so much more information, both from the show/books and from the supplemental material that Martin has written as well. The characters in the story have no access to much of this information.

 

[Cavatt]

It's worth noting that the books never give a concrete answer to whether or not people without Targaryen blood can ride dragons. Fire & Blood seems to imply that there may have been some dragon riders who were not Targaryen, although whether or not they had a bit of dragon blood in them is unknown.

Further, Dany basically knows nothing about dragons outside of what she has learned from raising three of them. She didn't even know what they ate when they first hatched. Basically everything she knows is information Viserys, who was an idiot and likely didn't know much more than her, told her, or things she has learned since the dragons hatched.

What Dany does know is that Jon has interacted with her dragons in the past (last season), and they seemed to take to him pretty instantly. Now, we know that it was likely because of Jon's blood, but that would have been the furthest thing from Dany's mind. What's obvious to us isn't necessarily obvious to the characters, but then we have access to so much more information, both from the show/books and from the supplemental material that Martin has written as well. The characters in the story have no access to much of this information.

Also, just practically. It would not be unheard of for a member of a royal house to have some relations to another Royal house. I don't know If Starks and Tragaryen's ever got together before, but how much do you need for a dragon to like you lol. Yeah the Targaryen's are basically gone, but ther have to be people walking around with some of that lineage, bastards etc.

 

[Rich]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=guhc75cGY2Q

This IS the isle of faces. @The Human Q-Tip nailed it. Has to be where they’re headed. Faces carved into weir wood trees.

This is where the WW’s were created. This is where you see the symbol in the ground with the tree smack in the middle.

I don’t see any reason to believe they are headed anywhere else.

But it's not because they went there beyond the wall. It's the same arrowhead mountain in that scene as the mountain they're looking for in season 7.

 

[Rich]

Apparently that symbol was also painted on the wall in the cave on Dragonstone.

Yes they were on the Caves, Mance and Jon saw it in season 3 with the corpses, we saw it on the scene where the children created the white walkers, and now again.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Yes they were on the Caves, Mance and Jon saw it in season 3 with the corpses, we saw it on the scene where the children created the white walkers, and now again.

That symbol they made from the bodies of the wildlings in the first episode was in the caves as well. It was different than the spiral. It was a circle with a line through it or something to that effect.