The Ongoing Attendance Problem

[BMAN]

It was a double post...

My bad

 

[Nom]

But then you overlook Minny, SD, St. Louis, Arizona and San Fran.




Post a chart that shows the gap of playoff appearances.

San Diego has two and San Fran has 3. Not exactly blowing the Indians away.

You've been able to identify Minnesota, Tampa Bay and St. Louis.

How about the Royals, Pirates, Marlins, Nationals and Orioles? Have they also been better than the Indians?

I'm done arguing the Indians' performance over the last 10 years. Compared to other teams - they've been mediocre - compared to other teams' attendance, theirs is terrible.

Can you explain that?

 

[The Oi]

So we've sucked since 1992 huh?

No. But they WILL suck until 2022. :chuckles:

Compared to other teams - they've been mediocre - compared to other teams' attendance, theirs is terrible.

Can you explain that?

Well this year their total home attendance is blowing away Boston, New York, Sf, AND Philly!!!

 

[The Oi]

Double Post aine

 

[bushwick_bill]

No. But they WILL suck until 2022. :chuckles:



Well this year their total home attendance is blowing away Boston, New York, Sf, AND Philly!!!

The Tribe are winning it all this year... Book it!

That is what I tell myself every year with every Cleveland team...

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

So we've sucked since 1992 huh?

I was pretty clearly being facetious for effect. Also I was counting toward future years of sucktitude, not going back to the golden age of the 90s.

 

[Huber.]

The Tribe are winning it all this year... Book it!

That is what I tell myself every year with every Cleveland team...

Why? I tell myself they aren't going to win it and haven't been disappointed yet. Why let these shitty teams get your hopes up?

 

[Steve_424]

Why? I tell myself they aren't going to win it and haven't been disappointed yet. Why let these shitty teams get your hopes up?

Because it's more fun being an optimistic, supportive fan than a pessimistic stick in the mud?

 

[Huber.]

Because it's more fun being an optimistic, supportive fan than a pessimistic stick in the mud?

I'm not stuck in the mud. I have low expectations and have been proved right every year. People that expect a WS title are let down and are stuck in the mud.

 

[7foot3]

It's starting to become a problem with the Browns since they only fill up 90% of the stadium. 10 more years of the Browns and nobody will show up. Anyone under the age of 30 doesn't remember the Browns being watchable.

If the Indians could get anywhere near 90%, the Dolans would do cartwheels around the basepaths.

What's the point of spending money on a team that can't draft it's own players and hits on about 1/4 of it's trades? Yeah, I guess you can go to the park and have a couple over-priced beers and some of the best mustard on the planet and just try to ignore the product on the field.

But when you can drink the same beer at home for $9 less and order the mustard online and flip between that game and the movie 300 with a bunch of friends at home while your wife makes pizza dip and nachos...the choice is obvious.

I know, the Indians haven't been very good except for a couple years. But they have drafted well recently, and they hit on a lot more trades than they miss. And the attendance is abysmal when they play .500 and still bad when they start out in first place (2008, 2011) or put out a great year (2005, 2007). For the last 8 years, they've only had 2 bad years (of course we want better, but .500 is not give-up-on-the-team-and-stop-showing-up worthy) and yet we've topped out at 9th in attendance. I don't think people (I certainly don't) expect fans to pack the stadium like the 90s for these teams, but scratching middle-of-the-pack should be more than reasonable.

And, yes, the appeal of watching at home is an important factor, but everyone other team deals with that too, and they still get fans.

 

[Steve_424]

I'm not stuck in the mud. I have low expectations and have been proved right every year. People that expect a WS title are let down and are stuck in the mud.

What other things have you predicted that have come true? I mean, granted, you have a 29 out of 30 (97%) chance of being "proven right", but still...impressive!


I'll try one: Casey Kotchman will NOT be AL MVP this season.

 

[Huber.]

If the Indians could get anywhere near 90%, the Dolans would do cartwheels around the basepaths.

90% is bad in the NFL. Not being able to sell out 8 games is pretty bad especially when they have tickets on sale for $20...but that's because nobody wants to see the Browns past December.

 

[7foot3]

Anyone could see that coming. They survived on the juice and ever since MLB began testing more heavily they have been hurt every season.

When did MLB start testing? When did Sizemore and Hafner start getting hurt? Here, I'll help you. June 2004 for the former, with the current testing and punishment rules in place (50 games for a first time positive test) in place by April 2005. Sizemore somehow lasted until 2009, while Hafner put up his 3 other-worldly years in the first 3 years of testing.

 

[Steve_424]

Anyone could see that coming. They survived on the juice and ever since MLB began testing more heavily they have been hurt every season.

Seriously? At this point, I think I prefer Jigo's jokes...at least I knew he wasn't serious.

MLB began a more intense testing protocol in 2006. Grady had his best three seasons from 2006-2008. Hafner? Possibly. Sizemore? Not so much.

 

[MoFlo]

I was pretty clearly being facetious for effect. Also I was counting toward future years of sucktitude, not going back to the golden age of the 90s.

Well, which is it? Were you being facetious for effect or were you predicting the MLB future?