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The Ongoing Attendance Problem

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What Is the Biggest Reason for Attendance Being So Poor?

  • Larry Dolan Doesn't Spend Enough Money

    Votes: 32 27.4%
  • Lack of On-Field Success

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Lack of a Marketable Superstar

    Votes: 12 10.3%
  • Cleveland Cannot Support Three Professional Sports Teams

    Votes: 9 7.7%
  • The Economy

    Votes: 8 6.8%

  • Total voters
    117
I don't know what percentage of teams these days care about filling seats as much as optimizing their dollars. I'd speculate that under many teams calculations, some seats will always be left empty just to milk multiples more dollars from those who will pay a lot more. Ugly consequence is the empty seats.

Filling seats, on its own, is as simple as it sounds. Lower the prices.

But if they want to do it AND make money, they just need to be more flexible at game time. There must be creative ways to fill up the seats if they are not sold out.

For example, since they're not selling out anyways, those tickets are going wasted, and you could get SOMEthing for SOME of them at only the cost of having a better system.

For example.. 3rd inning make all unsold tickets half price. After 5th inning half it again.. or make it a buck, just to get the sell out. Meanwhile you get the added concessions income and maybe a little parking income, as well as the tickets themselves. The only price is people stumbling in throughout the game (wouldn't happen much on nights they'd sell out anyways) and updating the system and staff to sell tickets this way.

It takes a little extra effort from the organization, but it would create more loyal fans knowing there will be a full stadium each night especially in games when there's a crunchtime or extra innings. The place will be rocking every night. Creating lifelong fans from a very young age, which is only good for business. Wish they'd just go the extra mile. Seats would be full.
 
I don't know what percentage of teams these days care about filling seats as much as optimizing their dollars. I'd speculate that under many teams calculations, some seats will always be left empty just to milk multiples more dollars from those who will pay a lot more. Ugly consequence is the empty seats.

Filling seats, on its own, is as simple as it sounds. Lower the prices.

But if they want to do it AND make money, they just need to be more flexible at game time. There must be creative ways to fill up the seats if they are not sold out.

For example, since they're not selling out anyways, those tickets are going wasted, and you could get SOMEthing for SOME of them at only the cost of having a better system.

For example.. 3rd inning make all unsold tickets half price. After 5th inning half it again.. or make it a buck, just to get the sell out. Meanwhile you get the added concessions income and maybe a little parking income, as well as the tickets themselves. The only price is people stumbling in throughout the game (wouldn't happen much on nights they'd sell out anyways) and updating the system and staff to sell tickets this way.

It takes a little extra effort from the organization, but it would create more loyal fans knowing there will be a full stadium each night especially in games when there's a crunchtime or extra innings. The place will be rocking every night. Creating lifelong fans from a very young age, which is only good for business. Wish they'd just go the extra mile. Seats would be full.

The ticket scenario isnt a bad idea. They would need to control it somehow otherwise no one would show up until the 5th. Maybe they would only be the upper deck seats.
 
I know last year at their stores (at least the one in Mentor) you bought like $40 worth of merchandise and they gave you two decent tickets for free. So they do have deals like that, but I agree they should make it a little easier to get tickets.
 
If tickets were $1 people still wouldn't come. Nobody wants to see the hopeless Indians score 2 runs in 45 degree weather. If they did this they would lose money from the people that buy full price tickets. That's the reason why teams don't sell tickets for $1. People that want to go to the games do....all 500 season ticket holders, the 23 walk ups and the 8,000 tickets they give to charity/corporations.
 
Where is b00bie to explain why the Reds can pay Votto but we can't sign Joe Schmo? You can't blame it on the Reds tv market since they're smaller or the same size as Cleveland. We all need a sarcastic breakdown of this situation.

I am willing to bet they will be regretting those deals in a few years...
 
Where is b00bie to explain why the Reds can pay Votto but we can't sign Joe Schmo? You can't blame it on the Reds tv market since they're smaller or the same size as Cleveland. We all need a sarcastic breakdown of this situation.

Yesterday, a few days after signing Votto and with rumors of a Phillips extension in the air, the Reds drew 16,909...in 64 degree weather...against a division rival.

Yeah, they're going to regret this one...
 
Why will they be regretting them? Those players will still be performing well in a few years, I'm sure.
 
Where is b00bie to explain why the Reds can pay Votto but we can't sign Joe Schmo? You can't blame it on the Reds tv market since they're smaller or the same size as Cleveland. We all need a sarcastic breakdown of this situation.

Cue the Dan Gilbert would have signed Votto, Fielder, ect... comments.
 
God forbid a team keeps their core players after arbitration and keeps trying to make the post-season.
 
Yeah how dare they keep good players? Don't the Reds know you're supposed to trade away good players and start over?

Cue the Dan Gilbert would have signed Votto, Fielder, ect... comments.

Cue the Doland would have laughed at those requests.
 
Why will they be regretting them? Those players will still be performing well in a few years, I'm sure.

- The Reds are in a mid-sized market
- With Votto and Phillips taking up a significant portion of the payroll, they'll have to become big spenders (and lose a lot of money) to keep a competitive team around them.
- The Cardinals are better. The Brewers may be as well.
- Fan support is average at best. They opened a brand new ballpark in 2003. These are their attendance numbers since:

2003 - 29,077 (13th)
2004 - 28,237 (18th)
2005 - 23,988 (25th)
2006 - 26,353 (22nd)
2007 - 25,414 (24th)
2008 - 25,415 (23rd)
2009 - 21,579 (27th)
2010 - 25,438 (20th) (Won 91 games, Division Champions)
2011 - 27,327 (16th)

It's a GREAT PR move and an exciting one for Reds fans, but a terrible baseball move. The Twins are already regretting the Joe Mauer deal. The Reds will soon do the same about the Votto/Phillips extensions.
 
Maybe the Reds have an owner who is willing to take a loss in profit to win games? Just a thought.
 
- The Reds are in a mid-sized market
- With Votto and Phillips taking up a significant portion of the payroll, they'll have to become big spenders (and lose a lot of money) to keep a competitive team around them.
- The Cardinals are better. The Brewers may be as well.
- Fan support is average at best. They opened a brand new ballpark in 2003. These are their attendance numbers since:

2003 - 29,077 (13th)
2004 - 28,237 (18th)
2005 - 23,988 (25th)
2006 - 26,353 (22nd)
2007 - 25,414 (24th)
2008 - 25,415 (23rd)
2009 - 21,579 (27th)
2010 - 25,438 (20th) (Won 91 games, Division Champions)
2011 - 27,327 (16th)

Cleveland and Cincinnati are the same size metro wise. You can't use that argument.
 
lol, the Twins regret Mauer because he blows.
 
I dont watch the Indians anymore because they killed my grandpa.


Really though in 2003 my grandpa had a heart attack after watching the Indians lose. His last words were "I'm never watching those god damn Indians again!"

Unfortunately he was correct.
 

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