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Unrealistic i'm not so sure, because the Lakers basically gave up nothing for Gasol, I mean they gave up his brother, an expiring or two and a first round pick.
 
I think for SG we should maybe look at players like:
Salmons, Keith Bogans, Maurice Evans, Shane Battier (dont see houston trading him though), raja bell, or maybe a guy like Martell Webster (although he has to prove more on the defensive end).

Bogans, Evans, Battier and Bell can also space out the floor and knock down 3's.

Ofcourse another player I would love to get in here would be Tayshaun Prince. I don't see that happening either though.

For PF/C we need a player who is NOT an offensive liability (like ben wallace). However we need someone who plays defense also. I don't see many options for us on those spots.

Obviously there are players like Dalembert, Okafor, Randolph, Curry, and maybe more.

I don't think Randolph and Curry would be good at all. The bobcats are looking for another big, they definitely don't want to trade one. Especially one who they just gave an extension to. I see Dalembert fitting in perfectly with Brand, he will rebound, block shots and finish around the rim. Brand will post up and take care of the offense.

Basically I don't see many options at the PF/C for us. Ofcourse as certain teams begin to tank they will look to trade so those opportunities will come only when the season gets underway.
 
http://dimemag.com/2008/07/the-loser-list-vince-carter/

Just throwing this out there. I know Danny tried to get him this off-season. Personally I think Vince could come in and play the role of Ray Allen. I wouldn't expect to much of him but our shooting guard play has been more shooting than making. I think Garnett and Allen were probably on this list recently.

I like Joe Johnson the best and wish back luck on Atlanta this season. If we had gotten him the first time around we wouldn't have had to put up with the Hughes years.
 
While I think the primary need of this team for a blockbuster deal would be a PF/C i agree with other posters that there doesn't really seem to be a whole lot of viable options out there. Whereas there are more possibilities at SG (Redd and Carter for starters.) However, i think getting a SG at the deadline would be a dissapointment. If this team has one weakness it's offensive production from the 4 spot, and getting a SG wouldn't change that. I wouldn't necessarily call it a lateral move, but I think a PF needs to be a priority. Hopefully a good team bombs out there and we can pick up a PF, but it seems unlikely.

In fact, as I've talked about before, as it stands I think the only PF we have a chance on this season is AK47, and that doesn't exactly thrill me.
 
Michael Redd's name has come up several times again. How about Richard Jefferson? Isn't he a more likely candidate to leave the Bucks?

The Bucks may tank again and that will give GM John Hammond something to think about. They will not have the salary cap to go after free agents in the 2009 offseason. The only way they can get that money is to trade Redd/Jefferson. I think Jefferson's reluctancy to play there will give him the upper hand in leaving.

Jefferson, IMO is better than Vince Carter. His contract goes past the 2010 as well but only for a year. He is younger than Vince Carter, Jefferson just turn 28. He is known to be an active defender. He has gotten away from that in the last year or two, but you can't blame him. He wasn't on a great team, Him, VC, and Kidd just didn't work out. They all had the numbers but couldn't win anything.

In all honesty, He is a guy we should seriously consider.
 
To those who don't think a Michael Redd trade would work:

I understand the argument about defense - completely. But...

With a Mo/Redd backcourt a la the Bucks, you cannot leave one of them unguarded, ever. It's the same old argument about freeing up lanes for LeBron to do what he does best, get motion and drive. With Mo/Redd/Z/Ben/LeBron a man comes off Ben for the double team, but they can't afford to solely play zone, because we have 3 perimeter shooters on the court over 35 minutes a game.

I realize this is a very dirty analysis of the game mechanics, but I think there is an argument behind an unstoppable offense being superior by just playing the percentages. If we have a higher scoring potential than the opposing team, and a better means to make our shots count - statistically thats not a bad argument.

That's one of the primary reasons I'm behind acquiring a SG of Redd's caliber. I'm not saying a PF wouldn't be better (which in fact would be because it's a statistically more favorable situation); however, as has been suggested in this thread, there are fewer available PF/Cs that the Cavs can acquire with the assets we have and while considering our options for 2010.

I'm interested in people's opinions on this.. Would a Mo/Redd/LeBron perimeter be unstoppable, and is it worth the potential reduction in defensive capability?
 
gourimoko said:
To those who don't think a Michael Redd trade would work:

I understand the argument about defense - completely. But...

With a Mo/Redd backcourt a la the Bucks, you cannot leave one of them unguarded, ever. It's the same old argument about freeing up lanes for LeBron to do what he does best, get motion and drive. With Mo/Redd/Z/Ben/LeBron a man comes off Ben for the double team, but they can't afford to solely play zone, because we have 3 perimeter shooters on the court over 35 minutes a game.

I realize this is a very dirty analysis of the game mechanics, but I think there is an argument behind an unstoppable offense being superior by just playing the percentages. If we have a higher scoring potential than the opposing team, and a better means to make our shots count - statistically thats not a bad argument.

That's one of the primary reasons I'm behind acquiring a SG of Redd's caliber. I'm not saying a PF wouldn't be better (which in fact would be because it's a statistically more favorable situation); however, as has been suggested in this thread, there are fewer available PF/Cs that the Cavs can acquire with the assets we have and while considering our options for 2010.

I'm interested in people's opinions on this.. Would a Mo/Redd/LeBron perimeter be unstoppable, and is it worth the potential reduction in defensive capability?
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It would be unstopable until we played a team like the Celtics in the playoffs. Did you see what happened to the Lakers (an offense fist team) they got shut completely down and lost the series. D wins championships, O gets all the glory.

As for getting Jefferson i'd love that idea and I was pimping it in the offseason until I heard he got traded to the Bucks. He's actually almost exactly what we need except for his position (SF). Do you think he could play SG, or would we have to move Bron?
 
I think Jefferson can play SG. I used to watch the nets very often and they always had Jefferson guarding the opposing teams best player. Jefferson is a good defensive player, the last couple of years he has gotten away from it because of his team. When he got traded to the Bucks he knew Scott Skiles wants him to gain back the edge in defense and he is willing to work at it.

I think if he came here, he would commit to defense right away. He would know that we are legitimate title contenders and with his addition we could be be alot better.

I think Ferry needs to keep an eye on the Bucks this season.
 
Mdog1 said:
It would be unstopable until we played a team like the Celtics in the playoffs. Did you see what happened to the Lakers (an offense fist team) they got shut completely down and lost the series. D wins championships, O gets all the glory.
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Could the Celtics really shut down our backcourt (Mo/Redd) and simultaneously stop LeBron, consistently? On top of Z, and whoever's at the 4 (Ben or even Wally)? That'd be impressive if they could.. But I do see your argument about the D, if only we could've held Pierce to his averages in game 7 we'd be the champs right now..
 
gourimoko said:
if only we could've held Pierce to his averages in game 7 we'd be the champs right now..
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We sure would. Good that you see my point. No way the Celts could shut down all those players, but they could trade us basket for basket. I'd be for getting Redd if nothing better is available. I believe talent is better than crap :chuckles:.

Jefferson regardless if he could play the 2 or not would still be better than anything we have there now.
 
It sounds like Al Harrington wants out in Golden State....would it be worth it?

I know he's a bit undercized, but since we already have Z, AV, Wallace, it makes sense to get a PF with a little bit of offensive ability. Also, having Lebron at SF means we'll usually not be too small on the floor.

I'm not sure how much we'd have to trade, but if he wants out, it may not be much. A deal involving Snow and a draft pick would match salary wise. Would Golden State do it? It will help their tax, and they're going to be bad this year regardless.

This is definitely not a guy that we want to trade our major assets for, but would you take him on this team to play backup PF? Allowing us to focus trading Szczerbiak in exchange for the much better SG market?

~Lyuokdea
 
Not that GS considers him an all-star by any means, but I cannot picture them giving up Harrington for essentially no player in return. I understand Snow's an expiring and that helps them financially at the end of this year, but they need someone on the court this year. Especially since their bigs are pretty much Biedrins, Turiaf and scrubs & tweeners. And concerning the draft pick, a 2nd rounder wouldn't mean much to them and I don't know if we'd want to give up a 1st for him.
 
What do you think it would take to get him? It might be worth a protected first to us (we're almost certainly going to have a pick in the 20s anyway) He may fit in better here than with most teams, because our current PFs make up for his deficiencies

~Lyuokdea
 
I don't know that we have anything we're willing to give up that GS would want. I can't picture them wanting Pavlovic at all. I can't foresee a Wally deal cuz we'd want Jackson as well, not gonna happen. We won't give up Varejao or West. So who's left? It'd have to be Snow + Hickson or something, and obviously most of us would agree Al for 1-2 years is not worth the potential of JJ having a solid career here.
 
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