Trade talk already hot and heavy - Chad Ford

[Trill Cosby]

no way mitch cupcake pulls the trigger on that deal, the man is no fool...but in the interest of hypotheticals? i would absolutely take lamar. look i knew for a fact that kobe/lamar would never work out and it had less to do with o-dumb and more to do with kobe....real talk kobe is simply a difficult superstar to play with.

when i look at lamar's year spent in miami playing with a burgeoning d-wade i see a guy who would fit in well with lebron. much like lebron, d-wade is a spectacular talent that plays an inclusive game...he instinctively knows the fine line between staying aggressive and keeping other involved. lamar would be more than happy to receive pass after pass from the likes of lebron and receiving numerous scoring opportunities that just weren't available in l.a.

and i have to disagree with pip, the triangle doesn't play to his strengths whatsoever, in fact much like caron butler (whose value was so diminished by playing in that system all the lakers could get was freakin' kwame brown and chucky atkins when they tried to move him, now look at him!) it just isn't a good fit for him. you put him in a mike brown pick and roll oriented offense and watch him flourish. he's make a great number two despite his flaws (gooden-esque smarts and tendency to disappear for stretches).

 

[daytripper]

^^Good points, MikeOC33...the Lakers are in the same situation as the Cavs and want to win this year.

Lakers will likely not resign Odom next year because they will have to give Bynum a max deal and already pay Kobe and Gasol big dollars. If they resign Odom to a deal starting in the 10-11 million range they will surpass the Knicks as the highest paid team. They also don't want to lose him for nothing so that's why all the trade talk. If the Cavs were willing to take on one of the Lakers bad contracts like Walton or Vlad I'm sure they would listen but they would still want a productive player in return. You can read the Lakers fans' opinion on Lakersground. One of the supposed insiders says the Lakers won't take on any contracts that extend past this season. The Laker fans want AV/Wally for Odom/Walton. I personally would pass on such a deal unless the Cavs keep AV and work out a 3 way without acquiring a bad contract. The other option would be to give them Wally and a first round pick but I don't see either team doing that at least not now. It would be an expensive offseason for Gilbert next summer if they had to resign both AV and Odom.

 

[Jon]

The Gooden comparison goes a bit further, in that Odom is a guy the Lakers have wanted to move for a long time - but keep holding out. Well, if they don't get what they want (Marion, AK47, Boozer, etc) ... maybe they'll take Wally? Who knows.

But as always Ferry usually dangles something out there, 'cause you never know what's going on behind the scenes and when someone just has to go ... for whatever reason.

 

[Benedict_Boozer]

^^Good points, MikeOC33...the Lakers are in the same situation as the Cavs and want to win this year.

Lakers will likely not resign Odom next year because they will have to give Bynum a max deal and already pay Kobe and Gasol big dollars. If they resign Odom to a deal starting in the 10-11 million range they will surpass the Knicks as the highest paid team. They also don't want to lose him for nothing so that's why all the trade talk. If the Cavs were willing to take on one of the Lakers bad contracts like Walton or Vlad I'm sure they would listen but they would still want a productive player in return. You can read the Lakers fans' opinion on Lakersground. One of the supposed insiders says the Lakers won't take on any contracts that extend past this season. The Laker fans want AV/Wally for Odom/Walton. I personally would pass on such a deal unless the Cavs keep AV and work out a 3 way without acquiring a bad contract. The other option would be to give them Wally and a first round pick but I don't see either team doing that at least not now. It would be an expensive offseason for Gilbert next summer if they had to resign both AV and Odom.

No way in hell do I trade AV/Wally for Odom/Walton.

Odom is better than AV but for what this team needs defensively I'd prefer to hold on to AV unless we knew for certain that he would not resign here.

 

[Randolphkeys]

There are a lot of good PF/C's that might show up on the trading block this season--

Shawn Marion
Lamar Odom
Channing Frye
David Lee

And if the Cavs can't get any of those guys, Boozer, Ike Diogu and Darko are also floating out there as desperation choices.

Douglar, you are ususally on your game and credible... but do you really think any of those guys can be considered a PF/C? I'd say Lee, Marion, and Odom are forward tweeners. They spend most of the time on the perimeter. Frye is an emergency option at center, more of a true power forward sans the power.

With two young PF on our roster that look fairly interesting (those being JJ and Darnel) and AV looking like the John Salley of his generation (a cusp-starter at center) I have trouble seeing an over-grown SF fit better than a PF/C.

 

[Silky Smooth]

AV right now looks really nice. He is a major trading piece and possibly could make a deal for an all star more realistic. AV wally for odom and walton doesnt satisfy me enough.
I read on hoopsworld that portland maybe willing to deal martell webster and channing frye due to money issues or something like that. Id rather do a deal with them including wally for webster and frye. Wally and sasha for webster and frye might entice portland due to their little depth at sf. Huge expiring and a young solid defender with a chip on his shoulder for a player thats not going to find minutes in portland and a pf thats also not going to find minutes.

 

[Douglar]

AV right now looks really nice. He is a major trading piece and possibly could make a deal for an all star more realistic. AV wally for odom and walton doesnt satisfy me enough.

Cavs are trying to add front court players. Trading away their backup center (Varejao) for another PF doesn't really help the team.

I read on hoopsworld that portland maybe willing to deal martell webster and channing frye due to money issues or something like that. Id rather do a deal with them including wally for webster and frye. Wally and sasha for webster and frye might entice portland due to their little depth at sf. Huge expiring and a young solid defender with a chip on his shoulder for a player thats not going to find minutes in portland and a pf thats also not going to find minutes.

Webster and Frye combine for $7.8h Mil in salary. Wally's contract is too big to fit in that deal. That's not close to a viable trade.

 

[redscoon]

Odom is a tease. What he is capable of and what he does on a consistent basis are two totally different things. If he was such a stud, a contender like LA wouldn't always be looking into moving him.

I don't see where he is much of a fit here. He doesn't do very much damage in the post and his jumper isn't a threat. He really needs to handle the ball from the perimeter to be most effective and I don't see there being many opportunities for him to do that here with Lebron's ball dominance and the acquisition of Mo. Not to mention his defense is porous and that always lands you in Mike Brown's doghouse.

Whatever benefit he would bring to the club wouldn't be worth what it costs to acquire him. If you could get him for just Wally and filler, sure, but a deal like that isn't happening.

 

[Mdog1]

Sasha and Eric Snow anyone? Actually I don't know his contract situation but i'm pretty sure he is going to be officialy retired like 14 games into the season. So if we were to do that trade we would have to trade him before that. Also we'd have to throw in a pick for sure because a retired pg, and a useless sg/sf. Still if we were able to get Lamar then we would be a champion this year for sure.

Also I am really surprised that nobody has mentioned the fact that LO might be coming off of the bench in LA which he does not want to do. I read a thread on Lakersground about that.

 

[Douglar]

Douglar, you are ususally on your game and credible... but do you really think any of those guys can be considered a PF/C? I'd say Lee, Marion, and Odom are forward tweeners. They spend most of the time on the perimeter. Frye is an emergency option at center, more of a true power forward sans the power.

With two young PF on our roster that look fairly interesting (those being JJ and Darnel) and AV looking like the John Salley of his generation (a cusp-starter at center) I have trouble seeing an over-grown SF fit better than a PF/C.

Marion and Odom are all star NBA PF's that can play a little SF. Marion brings outside shooting. Odom brings play making. But both earn their living by playing in the paint. Both would be much more valuable contributers to the Cavs team than Wally or Sasha & Snow.

Lee and Frye are proven young PF's that can play a little center. Lee is a little too short to play center full time. Frye is too weak to place center full time. But both have what it takes to play in the NBA and will contribute for years.

While I'd like JJ and DJ to grow as players, they are not NBA proven and may not be ready to play big minutes this year. If the Cavs have a chance to exchange a less valuable expring contract into a more valuable player on a similar contract, they gotta do it. JJ and DJ will still be here next year.

And if AV walks next summer , it would be great to have bird rights on some other front court players.

 

[Douglar]

Also I am really surprised that nobody has mentioned the fact that LO might be coming off of the bench in LA which he does not want to do. I read a thread on Lakersground about that.

Odom is unhappy.

The Lakers need defense and outside shooting at the SF spot if they face Cleveland or Boston again. Neither Walton and Odom give them what they need there. Sasha might be attractive to them. Plus Sasha's partially-guaranteed contract for next season doesn't hurt either.

Would Odom be happy playing the 4 here if it meant he had to come off the bench? He probably wouldn't have any choice. Can't see Ben sitting. It would help though because it would mean that Ben wouldn't play as many minutes.

 

[Mdog1]

Marion and Odom are all star NBA PF's that can play a little SF. Marion brings outside shooting. Odom brings play making. But both earn their living by playing in the paint. Both would be much more valuable contributers to the Cavs team than Wally or Sasha & Snow.

Lee and Frye are proven young PF's that can play a little center. Lee is a little too short to play center full time. Frye is too weak to place center full time. But both have what it takes to play in the NBA and will contribute for years.

While I'd like JJ and DJ to grow as players, they are not NBA proven and may not be ready to play big minutes this year. If the Cavs have a chance to exchange a less valuable expring contract into a more valuable player on a similar contract, they gotta do it. JJ and DJ will still be here next year.

And if AV walks next summer , it would be great to have bird rights on some other front court players.

The only way that I want to keep Wally is if we have a realistic shot at a huge FA next year, orif he is lights out and is playing good D. But if we can get a Pf/C who is consistently able to hit a 10footer. That is what we need most, even if we need to get rid of AV in order to get us two PF/C.

 

[Walter White]

I really wouldnt want odom unless its a total rip like how we got mo. The ultimate pansy team is pg-Marbury sg-Hughes sf-Odom pf-Randolph c-Rasheed......if you had these people in a team.......everybody would just want the ball and go one on five.

 

[Mdog1]

Odom is unhappy.

The Lakers need defense and outside shooting at the SF spot if they face Cleveland or Boston again. Neither Walton and Odom give them what they need there. Sasha might be attractive to them. Plus Sasha's partially-guaranteed contract for next season doesn't hurt either.

Would Odom be happy playing the 4 here if it meant he had to come off the bench? He probably wouldn't have any choice. Can't see Ben sitting. It would help though because it would mean that Ben wouldn't play as many minutes.

Odom will be playing behind PG in LA where as here he might start and if he doesn't he'd be playing behind BW who is not going to play the minutes of PG.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Marion and Odom are all star NBA PF's that can play a little SF. Marion brings outside shooting. Odom brings play making. But both earn their living by playing in the paint. Both would be much more valuable contributers to the Cavs team than Wally or Sasha & Snow.

Lee and Frye are proven young PF's that can play a little center. Lee is a little too short to play center full time. Frye is too weak to place center full time. But both have what it takes to play in the NBA and will contribute for years.

While I'd like JJ and DJ to grow as players, they are not NBA proven and may not be ready to play big minutes this year. If the Cavs have a chance to exchange a less valuable expring contract into a more valuable player on a similar contract, they gotta do it. JJ and DJ will still be here next year.

And if AV walks next summer , it would be great to have bird rights on some other front court players.

I'm still smarting that you believe Lee can get some minutes as a backup center on a contending team in the East. He's a college center who can barely play PF in the pros because he gets by with defense and fundamentals. That's like saying Mike Sanders could have picked up backup center minutes behind Brad Daugherty.

Odom in the paint... I think watching L.A. misuse him for the past three years soured me at the prospect. We can't start a Hickson/Odom frontline two years from now and contend. Again, I would have liked him as our PF target before we drafted Hickson... now I think we need to look at our aging situation at the 5 spot before discussing luxuries like paying Lamar Odom max money to be our part-time PF along with Hickson and Ben.

Marion is a WC PF, not an EC PF... if he succeeds in this fronline Miami wants to trot out (two forward tweeners and Haslem) then I will go ahead and eat my words. I've been pretty good with the predictions over the years. Again, my attitude might have changed if we didn't draft Hickson.

Frye is the one target you picked out who might fill a void on our team. Remember that I am factoring longterm salary cap implications in my Negative Nancy reply. The need to address the center position in 2 years will not go away... especially for a team that is already right behind the Knicks in the luxury tax.