Tristan Thompson

[Nathan S]

It confuses me that the same people who think TT has zero trade value are the people who think some team will give TT a 10M/year contract next summer. If you think there are teams around the league who see potential in him, then why do you think there's no chance we can get anything for him in a trade? If you think there's no interest around the league, then why do you think teams will be tripping over each other to outbid us next summer?

 

[marxus]

It confuses me that the same people who think TT has zero trade value are the people who think some team will give TT a 10M/year contract next summer. If you think there are teams around the league who see potential in him, then why do you think there's no chance we can get anything for him in a trade? If you think there's no interest around the league, then why do you think teams will be tripping over each other to outbid us next summer?

I'm not sure anyone out there would look at what Tristan has shown and think that's a foundation piece, which, at that kind of salary, he would have to be. I just think he's out of his mind for expecting that kind of a payday. With this being the Cavs, I'd rather just get what we can for him and not accidentally sign him to a big long term deal. Maybe we can package him and something else, whether it be a future pick or whatever, and get someone like Harry Barnes or Mo Harkless. Guys like Tristan are not hard to replace.

 

[DatDudeZ3]

I'm having JJ Hickson flashbacks :chuckles: Wasn't it rumored his "camp" wanted a max contract after putting up stats on a terrible team the first year after LeBron left? Then we traded him.

 

[mds]

Hey, I want a max contract too. Doesn't mean I'm gonna get it.

 

[Lumthemad]

Much like everyone else here, i think Tristan Thompson is a nice hard working kid and the type of guy you want on a championship team. He is also the guy you cannot overpay ala' Brian Grant lest it cripples your franchise.

If he prices himself out of Cleveland, that is the way the cookie crumbles. It just means we begin the Anthony Bennett era of Cavalier basketball in earnest.

 

[marxus]

Much like everyone else here, i think Tristan Thompson is a nice hard working kid and the type of guy you want on a championship team. He is also the guy you cannot overpay ala' Brian Grant lest it cripples your franchise.

If he prices himself out of Cleveland, that is the way the cookie crumbles. It just means we begin the Anthony Bennett era of Cavalier basketball in earnest.

When you watch a championship team play basketball, they never look as lost or confused as Tristan always does.

 

[mhi]

One thing that Thompson will never have that Varejao does is that vision. Varejao is an absolutely elite passer for a big man.

AV is a decent passer for the position but I wouldn't go as far as "elite". That mantra is reserved for the Noahs and Marc Gasols of the league. AV is in like the lower half of the Spencer Hawes tier.

His lightyears ahead of TT though, if that's what you're getting at.

 

[Nathan S]

AV is a decent passer for the position but I wouldn't go as far as "elite". That mantra is reserved for the Noahs and Marc Gasols of the league. AV is in like the lower half of the Spencer Hawes tier.

His lightyears ahead of TT though, if that's what you're getting at.

I think this has as much to do with coaching and personnel as anything else. The Cavs are loaded with ball-dominant guards and Mike Brown seemed to think he was still dealing with the limited offense 2009 version of Varejao, so Varejao didn't get as many touches as he should have.

Going by assist/turnover ratio, you have Noah at 2.22, Andy and Marc both at 1.94, and then a huge gap before Pau at 1.43 and Hawes at 1.39. I think it's fair to call Andy an elite passer for a big man.

Tristan, meanwhile, is at 0.67 and Bennett is at 0.36. Aaron Gordon really would be a breath of fresh air...not the most skilled guy in the world, at least at this stage in his development, but at least he knows what the fuck he's doing on both ends of the court. He would be a good pupil for Andy.

 

[mhi]

I think this has as much to do with coaching and personnel as anything else. The Cavs are loaded with ball-dominant guards and Mike Brown seemed to think he was still dealing with the limited offense 2009 version of Varejao, so Varejao didn't get as many touches as he should have.

Going by assist/turnover ratio, you have Noah at 2.22, Andy and Marc both at 1.94, and then a huge gap before Pau at 1.43 and Hawes at 1.39. I think it's fair to call Andy an elite passer for a big man.

Tristan, meanwhile, is at 0.67 and Bennett is at 0.36. Aaron Gordon really would be a breath of fresh air...not the most skilled guy in the world, at least at this stage in his development, but at least he knows what the fuck he's doing on both ends of the court. He would be a good pupil for Andy.

Good point. I usually just profile players by eye but I just checked the stats and they reveal that Andy is a better passer than I give him credit for.

I guess the issue is that, can you run an offense through him despite a limited offensive repertoire ?

 

[Nathan S]

Good point. I usually just profile players by eye but I just checked the stats and they reveal that Andy is a better passer than I give him credit for.

I guess the issue is that, can you run an offense through him despite a limited offensive repertoire ?

Maybe? I mean, the Bulls had some success running their offense through Noah, and he's just as limited as Andy from a pure scoring standpoint. I'm not saying Andy should be the main hub of our offense, but we certainly could have made better use of his offensive talents than we did last year.

 

[Jack Brickman]

AV is a decent passer for the position but I wouldn't go as far as "elite". That mantra is reserved for the Noahs and Marc Gasols of the league. AV is in like the lower half of the Spencer Hawes tier.

His lightyears ahead of TT though, if that's what you're getting at.

Have you watched Varejao play? The guy makes passes that almost no other big man in the league can make. He's easily comparable to the Noahs and Gasols of the league, as Nathan demonstrated with his statistical analysis.

 

[Cavatt]

I do think that is Tristan's biggest weakness. The defense always know he is going to dunk it. Even if he passed it more, he would not get blocked so much. They can really overplay him because they don't expect him to pass and be out of help position. It would probably help his fg% more than a jumpshot. They can throw everything they have at him because he doesn't pass.

On Andy, I loved when the ball was going through his hands at the begging of Byron's last year. The ball moved so well, and Dion and Kyrie worked better together. Andy just gets you easy shots because he really does have good vision.

Andy was not that player his whole career. I really hope All our young bigs pay attention to Andy and Hawes and why they get on the floor. Even Tyler has an advantage over those guys physically. I think you can learn these things.

 

[The Edge]

Windy mentioned that TT was being shopped on Rizzos show this morn. That's what it sounded like.
I didn't hear the whole story, anybody else hear what all was said?

 

[stowfan]

Two questions, how much would you offer him for an extension, and what's his trade value?

 

[oasis05]

Embiid, and Thompson together? Bah. It leads to the irrational, why question? When you have a post scoring center, you don't want an offensive rebounder trying to set up shop in his space, that will allow easy double teams. I see the front court being totally revamped.