Walton Dismisses Cavalier's

[Maximus]

When Kukoc won his rings he shot 3's about 20% of the time....not 61%.

I'm not the biggest Bill Walton fan, but I think some of you are missing his point. A PF that can shoot the 3 is an extremely valuable weapon.....one that becomes a statue on the perimeter and only shoots the 3(and not very effectively) can hurt a team and shoot them out of games. I think Marshall is being a little bit lazy by camping on the perimeter....especially when he isn't shooting 3's very well. If he mixes it up a bit more I think he and our offense will be much more effective. Did you see that dunk when he took it to the rack the other day? I'd like to see more of that.

 

[cdt]

We're talking about a guy who was a Grateful Dead Head... nuff said

 

[Coyote]

On this particular point, Walton didn't explain himself very well during the game. I think he meant what a few of you are noting, that Donyell camps out too much and needs to do a little more. He MUST know that DYell's 3 pt shooting is one reason we brought him here.

Howdyever, Walton also tends to let his comments about players be influenced by what's going on at THAT moment in the game. Witness his statement during that game about Nash: "He had a terrible game." Well, no, he played a terrible 2nd half.

And I agree that most of his comments verge on the idiotic, but he intends them to somehow funny. What that means though is that it's hard to take him seriously.

Did he EVER coach at ANY level once he was done playing?

 

[Kypus]

Howdyever, Walton also tends to let his comments about players be influenced by what's going on at THAT moment in the game. Witness his statement during that game about Nash: "He had a terrible game." Well, no, he played a terrible 2nd half.
And I agree that most of his comments verge on the idiotic, but he intends them to somehow funny. What that means though is that it's hard to take him seriously.

Well said. Sometimes it's funny because you know you're getting candid commentary from him, but I never picked up that he does that intentionally. I think he takes himself way too seriously and he comes off as a has-been harpy.

He's right, of course, about Marshall taking too high a % from outside but he's bound to say a few accurate things now and then.

 

[Mac]

Walton is an idiot: he seems to have quickly forgotten about another 6'10" thin PF who stands out on the perimeter and is basically a 3pt specialist. His name: Robert Horry and that dude has what 6 rings now?

He is a role player and that it's though. Horry has nothing else to his game, but hitting big shots.

Marshall plays significant minutes for the Cavs. He always gets over 20 MPG, Horry doesnt even avg 20 min PG.

Walton is basically saying, yes Marshall can hit the three. Thats nice, but living on the three point line takes himself out of the threat he presents. He basically refuses to post up and work outta the post...Marshall can be effective inside ten feet, and that would only help his cause.

 

[Pioneer10]

^ Robert Horry played 20 mpg for the Spurs last year and played even more minutes in the finals.

I agree Marshall can do more and his shot selection is quite poor compared to Horry but Walton wasn't making that point

 

[Pioneer10]

I should also note that the Cavs have two darn good PF's in AV and Gooden whose games are completely different then Marshall

 

[Mac]

But Anderson just got back. We still need Marshall to be 3D, rebound, offer an outside threat, but still score inside.

He needs to tone down his threes and pick his spots better.

He isnt strictly a role player like Horry is, he is more than that and his shot selection should show that.

 

[Maximus]

Marshall(28min) plays 50% more min that Horry(18)....last year and this year. Marshall plays about the same minutes as Z. Horry is a role player, Marshall is part of our core.
Marshall continues to shoot poorly from 3 point range(0 for 4 tonight).....0 for 3 during a key stretch in the 4th. That was Walton's point....he has to mix it up, can't just be a statue out there and live and die by the 3.

 

[CleveRocks]

There are a lot of PF's that can shoot the three. It helps them be effective, but it cannot be the main thing. Nowitzki or Rasheed are more what you want in a shooting PF, since they use the effective jumper to burn defenders trying to cheat inside. THEN they burn them inside. Still the elite PF's are not three point guys. If your top three are Duncan, Garnett and Brand, the three ball is not a significant part of their game.

I agree with the gist of the thread which is that Donyell spends too much time outside. He is not alone. Tonight we were 4-18 from outside, when we had a clear advantage inside (Drew was 7-8, and both Z and AV were effective inside). Too many times we wind up crankin the three instead of driving in for the and 1.

 

[Wine and Gold]

Bill Walton annoys the heck out of me, and I can't stand listening to him when he does a game. Bill Walton needs to understand the Cavs a little better and then he'd understand that the large percentage of time that Donyell does park out at the three pt. line is EFFECTIVE for us. Whether he's hitting or not we have lanes for Lebron and Hughes ...and we have proven to still be very effective as a rebonding team even though he is out of the paint, unlike your stereotypical PF ....

 

[Pioneer10]

Bill Walton annoys the heck out of me, and I can't stand listening to him when he does a game. Bill Walton needs to understand the Cavs a little better and then he'd understand that the large percentage of time that Donyell does park out at the three pt. line is EFFECTIVE for us. Whether he's hitting or not we have lanes for Lebron and Hughes ...and we have proven to still be very effective as a rebonding team even though he is out of the paint, unlike your stereotypical PF ....

Yep this is a good point: even though Jones and Marshall sucked against the Suns it was the mere threat of the open jumpshot that opened the lanes for Lebron in the second half after the pound it inside strategy failed.

As long as Gooden and AV are healthy I'm happy with Marshall's game. If not then he needs to diversify it up a bit

 

[G-MAN]

It's funny to me. We have played many national games and have not done well in most. The pregame, 1st half and half time comments usually tear up the cavs. Ecspecially since we are normally getting kicked.

After the games they usually go to coverage of the second game and never recant any damning statements that they made. It usually has to do with the other team failing and not the cavs doing well.

Remember we had an announcer that had no opinion and he was awful. Mr. Price. They are just coming up with something and it's gets bb fans riled up on both teams usually.

Bad Opinions:
roger brown
stephen a smith
bill walton (some are tongue in cheak)
charles barkley (50/50)

they all create talk about the nba.

 

[KI4MVP]

I agree with Walton to an extent....61% of Marshall's shot's are from 3-land, for me that's too high. I'd prefer he be around Rasheed(40%). Dirk only take's 18% from behind the line(Horry takes 47%).
Donyell is a great rebounder and he can play inside, so his overall game would be more effective if he moved inside the line a little more often and crashed the boards....his shooting would improve too.

For the record, 75% of DJ's shots are 3's. His 36% is 112th in the league in 3FG%, Marshall is only shooting 32% which is 160th in the league....they're hardly "specialists" this year.

The implication is Marshall should stay inside more to get more offensive rebounds, yet Marshall gets more offensive rebounds than Dirk, Rasheed or Horry and has more rebounds overall than the last two as well. And marshall gets more rebounds than any of them.

 

[Maximus]

The implication is Marshall should stay inside more to get more offensive rebounds, yet Marshall gets more offensive rebounds than Dirk, Rasheed or Horry and has more rebounds overall than the last two as well. And marshall gets more rebounds than any of them.

Not just rebounds. You don't think that if he came inside a little more that his rebounds, points, and shooting % would increase? Especially when we hit dry spells like last night and blew a lead?
Remember the Houston game at home? No Yao. Z had Mutombo in foul trouble. Marshall was 3 of 12 from 3 point range....2 were airballs! I have more memories of games like that then of him lighting it up.

He has made only 30 of 99 threes in Jan/Feb. Frankly, that's not very good. I'm not saying abandon the three, all I said was that 61% of his shots being behind the line is too much. He could easily mix it up down low a little more and not clog things up for the slashers or Z. It would make him more effective and our offense overall.