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Will the Cavs get caught in the Ferry undertow?

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I know there are a few Ferry/Grant fans here at RCF. For the insiders I was wondering what possible reasoning Ferry/the Hawks could've had to leak that background report except to save their own skins and pass the buck? It puts Chris Grant in a bad light as anyone with a brain would probably associate him as the originator or at the very least it came from one of his underlings. Makes Ferry look like someone more willing to pass the buck than take personal responsibility for the goings on in his own organization.
 
That's an interesting take. It's hard to tell because some other reports don't indicate "former" (or perhaps it was redacted).

The PDF file has been talked about as a Hawks internal report, yet it is labeled on each page as "Luol Deng intel | RealGM Scouting and Statistics".

Does RealGM supply/sell a common intel warehouse to all NBA teams? Did I just miss something really basic on that front when the story first broke? Or do the Hawks store their intel on a software platform that RealGM sells?

NBA Teams Licensing RealGM Product To Manage Scouting Database
Apr 30, 2014 12:06 PM EDT

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ng-RealGM-Product-To-Manage-Scouting-Database
 
12 years Being a white guy in an NBA locker room it wouldn't surprise me if Ferry has no filter regarding racism or stereotyping cultures.

This seems more about culturism than anything.

The author was either Mike Brown or Danny Ferry in my opinion.

its interesting social media has been making what was said worse than it actually was. while two face is probably applicable . or just catering to the audience albeit not good not as bad as "a liar" and a "cheat"

it will also be interesting if the author turns out to be a European

Ive heard people described as having a bit of their ethnicity in them and those perceptions are not awlways positive or some are taken at face value.

I guess we will have to wait until TMZ shows us video of the letter writer.

Cant help but feel this was all orchestrated considering just two years ago levinson and geerson tried to sell the team.

this scandal ensures that a sale will get done
 
Carmelo Anthony supposedly said no free agents want to play for the Hawks, or any players want to play for the Hawks.

I wonder when some of their players start demanding trades....
 
I think Don Cheadle should step down from his lead actor position with "House of Lies". Without " Hotel Rowanda" and its unflinching look at corruption in African politics, would a Cavaliers executive make such a parallel between Deng's motives and that of his home continent? Maybe, but probably not. Let's get serious with this witch hunt and go after Don Cheadle!

I had better see this type of outrage the next time some person throws out the "typical American" line when referencing someone they deem rude or loud.
 
Carmelo Anthony supposedly said no free agents want to play for the Hawks, or any players want to play for the Hawks.

I wonder when some of their players start demanding trades....
For what? That would be idiotic.

Nobody has ever wanted to play for the Hawks. That's nothing new. Demanding a trade because an owner who is selling made a somewhat racist analysis of Hawks demographics is completely nonsensical.
 
listen, read the PDF it says "Former", so whoever wrote it isnt around anymore.

you have 2 choices, Mike Brown and Chris Grant

Im saying its Grant

Would be so awesome if its Brown

It is Grant for sure, has to be because he seemed not to be liked by our players, Also explains Deng's pissy attitude here. There was just something off about Grant no matter how well you think he did or didn't do. After he left the players felt better and played better and seemed happier "all the sudden" Also Griff and Marion seem to have a solid relationship and would never have come here if he felt Griff was that kind of guy. Finally Grant has HUGE ties with the Hawks and was Ferry's praised guy. It all adds up.
 
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The sudden turn in all this might explain LeBrons attitude when here the first time. Ferry and Grant were the FO guys Brown was the coach and now linked to all this B.S. Meanwhile Grant takes over and bashes the team acts like a arrogant prick and looks like he came out of the 60's Used math for everything and seemed to be a sense of tenseness over the team. Griff comes in and says Waiters and Irving are not going anywhere the team gains life and the season ends with hope. The players want to come here and ever thing since Bron came back is pointing to greatness. LeBron is the co GM of this team in a way now so nothing to worry about to the people freaking out.

Now lets look at who and why this happened, The Ferry years were bad but good years and he could not get us anywhere. Brown a suspect never gained LeBrons trust and neither did Ferry. Gilbert did everything he could but Bron had it out for someone on the Cavs. Grant who had made many mistakes in Atlanta was soon rushed into the spot. Drafted a few key pieces but seemed to be disliked by other GM's and some of his own staff and players. He always came off as dick when speaking in his smug manner. While polite he had some "wow this guy is full of himself" moments. This would be why Ferry wouldn't oust him outright. However for his protection he had to act against it in some way. The thing I find most odd about all this as other pointed. Why share such info and why such detailed info? Griffin is a Suns FO guy and is really a respected guy and many GM's around the NBA were happy when we made him GM. So Grant or his men have blood all over their hands right now as ties with ATL run deep.
 
The sudden turn in all this might explain LeBrons attitude when here the first time. Ferry and Grant were the FO guys Brown was the coach and now linked to all this B.S. Meanwhile Grant takes over and bashes the team acts like a arrogant prick and looks like he came out of the 60's Used math for everything and seemed to be a sense of tenseness over the team. Griff comes in and says Waiters and Irving are not going anywhere the team gains life and the season ends with hope. The players want to come here and ever thing since Bron came back is pointing to greatness. LeBron is the co GM of this team in a way now so nothing to worry about to the people freaking out.

Now lets look at who and why this happened, The Ferry years were bad but good years and he could not get us anywhere. Brown a suspect never gained LeBrons trust and neither did Ferry. Gilbert did everything he could but Bron had it out for someone on the Cavs. Grant who had made many mistakes in Atlanta was soon rushed into the spot. Drafted a few key pieces but seemed to be disliked by other GM's and some of his own staff and players. He always came off as dick when speaking in his smug manner. While polite he had some "wow this guy is full of himself" moments. This would be why Ferry wouldn't oust him outright. However for his protection he had to act against it in some way. The thing I find most odd about all this as other pointed. Why share such info and why such detailed info? Griffin is a Suns FO guy and is really a respected guy and many GM's around the NBA were happy when we made him GM. So Grant or his men have blood all over their hands right now as ties with ATL run deep.

So.... Ferry and Grant= bad, Griffin=good? Not sure how logical your wildly speculative conclusions really are.

Danny Ferry orchestrated a Cavs team that went further in the playoffs than any other Cavs team. Overall, his body of work here was just okay but he deserves some props. I think he's a scumbag, but he did an okay job here.

Chris Grant was given a raw deal but we wouldn't have been as flush with assets without his smooth dealings and stockpile of draft picks. He deserves massive props for his work here even if the results weren't there....like it or not, he's a big reason why we are where we are. If the guy could pick the right coach, he'd probably still be here.

David Griffin is a complete unknown. He traded for Hawes and brought Marion here and that's about the extent of his decisions here.... everything else has been Dan Gilbert and LeBron.
 
So.... Ferry and Grant= bad, Griffin=good? Not sure how logical your wildly speculative conclusions really are.

Danny Ferry orchestrated a Cavs team that went further in the playoffs than any other Cavs team. Overall, his body of work here was just okay but he deserves some props. I think he's a scumbag, but he did an okay job here.

Chris Grant was given a raw deal but we wouldn't have been as flush with assets without his smooth dealings and stockpile of draft picks. He deserves massive props for his work here even if the results weren't there....like it or not, he's a big reason why we are where we are. If the guy could pick the right coach, he'd probably still be here.

David Griffin is a complete unknown. He traded for Hawes and brought Marion here and that's about the extent of his decisions here.... everything else has been Dan Gilbert and LeBron.

Like I said and based Woj says it is basically Grant who had been the mind before the PDF letter, Yes Grant got thrown into a odd situation and Griffin looks like a guy who just got sent to cook the presidents meal. Thankfully for Griffin it went well and all are good, Grant and Ferry were neck and neck and two guys who close. LeBron is the reason you saw the teams you did. Ferry was not a good GM with the Cavs part of LeBron... This all is about LeBron, in the end LeBron will be our savior and forget all about this, It is typical human reaction to a isolated situation. It says what we all knew pre Griffin that the team was a mess.Also Grant had time and his arrogance did him in, There is a reason out of no where he lost his job, just sayin.
 
While possible, Mike Brown was fired on May 12th. This report was filed June 6th and seemed to indicate a lot of present tense, "we" references when referring to the Cavs.

Also, I took the "former" designation to mean that the report was from the Cavaliers, a former team of Dengs, and not that it was necessarily from a "former" employee of the Cavs.

My initial take -- though see my counterargument at the end of this post -- is that it is reasonably clear the report was written by, or based on information provided by, a Cavs FO employee at the end of the season (and thus not Grant or a member of the coaching staff). On June 6th, it wouldn't have technically been "former" since Deng was a Cav till June 30th, but for all intents and purposes it was "former."

I don't see that anyone has provided any insight into whether this sort of report would typically have been written by the GM (Griffin) or one of his right hand men (Trent Redden, hired in 2006 during the Ferry regime, or Koby Altman, hired during the Grant regime), or if "FO" can loosely refer to a lead scout. Insider information like what Deng's agent was asking for, and what the trade market for Deng at the deadline looked like, point to someone higher up the food chain, but I doubt it would have been known by only 3 or so people in the organization. But I don't think we have enough information to know.

A key point -- which I don't think anyone has mentioned -- is whether the controversial report was actually in the Cavs reporting system/tool, and was then passed, perhaps electronically, to Atlanta. It reads as though it was written by the Cavs, but maybe it was a transcription of a conversation held with a Hawks employee who then simply input it into the Hawks' scouting tool/database (that seems to be what Wojnarowski assumes: "It's unfair to Grant and former Cavs coach Mike Brown, another close friend of Ferry's. The report says the interview took place on June 6, 2014 – months after each was let go in Cleveland?"). If there is no written record in the Cavs' system, then it will be difficult to prove or link it to any specific Cavs employee. Which doesn't make it a good thing, so the Cavs should be trying to find who the source is (if they don't already know).

The fact the Cavs apparently gave this insider information to the Hawks, especially given that it reveals their strategies, does raise questions of intent and motive. Grant did arguably have a motive. Maybe Grant didn't write the report, but continued to have access to the report, or somehow gained access to the report, when he left the Cavs, and then shared it with his old friend and mentor Danny Ferry?

The theory that Grant is the source (though not necessarily the author of the report) squares with what The Bullshit Whisperer reported on April 5th:

Finally, this is not related to anything mentioned above, but I am being told by executives and insiders around the NBA that former Cavs GM Chris Grant has been spinning stories. Grant, of course, was fired in February. I've always really liked Grant personally, even if I didn't care for the way he refused to make himself regularly available to local media. But one insider told me Grant "is considered a buffoon around the league: Dishonest, incapable and full of (beans)." It wasn't the first time I heard something like that, and I still often get that vibe about Grant when talking with other GMs. (For the record, Grant has denied all this and even once requested that we call, together, the folks who trashed him. I declined to join him in such an adventure.)....Anyway, the point is Grant now has a reputation as someone who is attempting to tell the world the Cavs will be one huge disaster without him. I have no clue if he's talking directly to national writers -- but he at least talks to people who talk to those writers (and, obviously, to me).

http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/cavs-playoff-dreams-dead-well-mostly-but-not-officially-040514

Wojnarowski has written one of the best articles on the scandal, and he isn't ruling out Grant as the source.

Everyone wants to know: In the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's published scouting report on Deng, who was the redacted Cleveland source responsible for the initial African slurs? If this wasn't Chris Grant – the deposed Cleveland GM who replaced Ferry with the Cavaliers – it will be difficult for him to convince people otherwise. And that's a brutally vulnerable position for Ferry to have left him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/danny-ferry-s-fatal-mistake--he-never-owned-his-comments-041056586.html

I still have some problems with the timing. Grant was fired Feb 6th, the report is dated June 6th. Not sure what the date of the report means exactly (is it the date it was written? the date the Hawks acquired it?), but the report was clearly written from a perspective that postdates Grant's dismissal ("CHA, PHX, DAL, & LAL all had degrees of interest [in trading for him] around the deadline"). Could Grant possibly have had access to either a written report or an unwritten assessment after he was fired, presumably provided by someone still inside the organization who remained loyal to him? It's possible. Would he have passed along an unwritten assessment to Ferry that included the racist language? I have no idea, but maybe so, in view of The Bullshit Whisperer's "spinning stories" comment. We do know that when Grant was fired, he was the only one let go. David Griffin emphasized that everyone else remained in place. (I mean, we know that Z effectively lost his role as personal assistant to an executive who was longer employed by the organization, but even Z continued to be on the payroll, so far as I can tell.) Grant would have had loyalists within the organization.

Still a lot of unanswered questions. This isn't the end of the story.
 

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