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NtG said:
This is ridiculous. I see nothing wrong with what was said.
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You see 0/zero wrong with this comment?: ..."but he’s an African. He has a little two-step in him = says what you like to hear, but behind closed doors he could be killing you. Con isn’t bad but it’s there. African-like, store front looks great but there’s a black market section in the back.”"

That is an acceptable way to reduce/generalize a continent of 853 million people?

Can a person have the opinion that Luol Deng is a little hypocritical? Of course

How in the world does that perceived hypocrisy get labeled as "being African" and how is that acceptable for a leader of the organization to pass on in a meeting?
 
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Just went through the entire realgm thing. Fortunately or Unfortunately I think this a Grantism. It says former. He talks about Herb in the familar which sounds like something a GM or former GM would do. I think Ferry must have called up his buddy and got that report. I dont understand the whole realgm angle anyway. I think there is another passage there that comes from Brown. How is realgm involved in a teams scouting dossier on an active player? The article does give a lot of credance to the whole Kyrie Dion cant get along angle. I guess Lebron coming back is about the only thing that can solve such a relationship. The other thing this whole episode points out is that you cant rely on the media to tell us who is a good guy and who is a bad guy. They get it wrong all the time.
 
MirORich said:
Also, I took the "former" designation to mean that the report was from the Cavaliers, a former team of Dengs, and not that it was necessarily from a "former" employee of the Cavs.
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That's an interesting take. It's hard to tell because some other reports don't indicate "former" (or perhaps it was redacted).

The PDF file has been talked about as a Hawks internal report, yet it is labeled on each page as "Luol Deng intel | RealGM Scouting and Statistics".

Does RealGM supply/sell a common intel warehouse to all NBA teams? Did I just miss something really basic on that front when the story first broke? Or do the Hawks store their intel on a software platform that RealGM sells?
 
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I know the dates don't exactly add up, but I so clearly see this as a Grant memo. All signs point toward it. Grant and Ferry are tight. Grant did not know he was going to be fired but knew right away that Deng wasn't interested in signing here long-term and began shopping him well before the deadline. We got lots of rumors around RCF that Grant was bad-mouthing the Cavs to anyone that would listen, and to me the tone of the memo is bitter (I even wonder the NY report was the last straw when Gibert decided to fire him, hence the rant about him being African and thus a con, which is a strange but definitely racial remark) - although Ferry might've asked Grant (his old buddy) for a first-hand account to help with his free agency search, hence the "Former GM of the Cavs". Talking about bringing him back could've easily been rhetorical, as in: If I was still around, I'd have no problem bringing him back, but you have to be aware of this and that.

I have a hard time believing that Ferry would ask lower-tier people in the organization their take on such a big thing - he was clearly looking for background intel on Deng and he trusts Grant, and Grant was the GM, he clearly did his research before trading for him, and would be the one who would have the best take. I'm not even sure if he has kept good relations with all of them (beyond obviously Grant, Brown, perhaps Z and Vitaly).
 
Why do people keep mentioning Z-the guy was clearly not around during the past year. Vitaly is not a front office person but a development guy.
 
woj seems to think this is grant

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/danny-ferry-s-fatal-mistake--he-never-owned-his-comments-041056586.html

Everyone wants to know: In the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's published scouting report on Deng, who was the redacted Cleveland source responsible for the initial African slurs? If this wasn't Chris Grant – the deposed Cleveland GM who replaced Ferry with the Cavaliers – it will be difficult for him to convince people otherwise. And that's a brutally vulnerable position for Ferry to have left him.

It's unfair to Grant and former Cavs coach Mike Brown, another close friend of Ferry's. The report says the interview took place on June 6, 2014 – months after each was let go in Cleveland.

Who else would know that Herb Rudoy, one of Deng's agents, wanted $12 million a year? Who else could speak with such authority about the trade negotiations with Chicago, about the rest of the teams interested in Deng at the deadline, about how the redacted coaches felt about Deng's performance in the final line of the report? All those things point to Grant, but that doesn't mean it's him. That doesn't mean the redacted use of "the former" fill-in-the-blank official was legitimate.

It could've been a misdirection play by the Hawks in the report. Who knows now? The bottom line is this: Everyone else is a suspect because Ferry wanted it this way to spare himself.

Crossing out names on the leaked report didn't do a thing to protect those people. Feel free to say the ex-Cleveland official deserves to be outed, but it wasn't for Ferry to do. Because it implicates people in his own organization, who didn't do anything but follow the orders and take down the words of the boss' old staffers with the Cavaliers.
 
The question crosses my mind because chances are the offending statements Ferry read came from someone affiliated with either the Cavs or the Bulls, the two teams that have employed Deng. This story is unfolding in a way that makes it certain that the author of those words is going to be exposed. His or her head is going to roll. I hope it's not someone in the Cavs organization.
 
I think Don Cheadle should step down from his lead actor position with "House of Lies". Without " Hotel Rowanda" and its unflinching look at corruption in African politics, would a Cavaliers executive make such a parallel between Deng's motives and that of his home continent? Maybe, but probably not. Let's get serious with this witch hunt and go after Don Cheadle!
 
Randolphkeys said:
I think Don Cheadle should step down from his lead actor position with "House of Lies". Without " Hotel Rowanda" and its unflinching look at corruption in African politics, would a Cavaliers executive make such a parallel between Deng's motives and that of his home continent? Maybe, but probably not. Let's get serious with this witch hunt and go after Don Cheadle!
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Wait where is Don from is he African or Black?

This is a little interesting overall the referencing on race opposed to simply stating 2 faced is why it can be offensive to most. Yet I have experienced this commonality of arrogance in some of the different Africans I have met. Can I label a whole continent no. Nigerians have this way about them not all once again just the ones in Houston maybe where they look down on Americans.

Look at how that DB operated here released those reports from his friends after trashing the team then vehemently denying he said them. That description nails that clown accurately. Those dummies shouldn't of put it on paper though that was just asinine.

Today it's funny to throw around the racism unless your a blue blood your a peon your not in that group and they look down on you. I went to Phillips Academy it isn't your color of skin is the longevity of your equitable family's position. Plus relationship amongst that peer grouping.

Those Caucasian who presume to be relevant because a lack of melanin generally are so far from that Bildaberg fantasy is absurd

Ferry called Bonzi the N word way back I wonder If people remember that too. I hope that won't be unearthed and bite his ass in the butt as well.
 
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Moved the thread to Cavs Talk, since it's a mix of Hawks/NBA/Cavs news.
 
My guess is it's a hold over assistant GM type.
 
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