• Changing RCF's index page, please click on "Forums" to access the forums.

WWE/TNA/Etc Spoiler Thread

Do Not Sell My Personal Information
Goddamn it...already scheduled a Cena/Owens rematch. RIP Owens' dominance.

Also, just a terrible idea to do a rematch like that so soon. It was an incredible match, and having another one two weeks later just cheapens it, especially if Cena wins (which he almost definitely will).
 
Last edited:
Wow...did not expect Ambrose to win the belt tonight. I liked the little fake out with them taking out the ref, then having Ambrose win anyway.

Spoke too soon...they're about to overturn it. lol

Ugh...what a shit way to end this PPV.
 
Cena is playing a heel in an upcoming move. perhaps the plan is for him to win dirty.Personally I wouldnt mind seeing a tag team partnership develop with Rusev and get rusev to downplay his shiek type role a bit which just isnt working.
 
Cena is playing a heel in an upcoming move. perhaps the plan is for him to win dirty.Personally I wouldnt mind seeing a tag team partnership develop with Rusev and get rusev to downplay his shiek type role a bit which just isnt working.

I just can't see Cena turning heel in a feud with Owens while Owens is generating great heat as the top NXT heel right now. It just doesn't make sense.

It would have made a lot more sense to do it during his feud with Rusev when the crowd was turning on him, or during the Lesnar feud when winning dirty would have solidified Lesnar's role as a monster (he can't be beaten in a fair fight). Regardless, I think the WWE makes too much money selling little kids Cena gear to ever turn him heel at this point. It sucks and it's boring, but it's true.
 
I had to rewatch Ambrose with the belt because I knew it wouldn't end like that, sure they overturned it. What's the appeal of Rollins? How long are they going to have a heel the champion, its getting played out.
 
That was the most shocking part of it. When is the last time Cena lost clean? I can't even remember.

I'm curious what they're going to do with Owens now. He pretty clearly proved tonight that he belongs on the main roster. Do they keep him as the NXT champion? Does dropping the title (assuming he loses it like Neville did before his call up) kill some of his momentum?

And if they aren't going to call him up, why have him beat Cena clean?
He is scheduled on Raw through July I believe. Right now the plan is for him to do nxt and raw.
 
That was the most shocking part of it. When is the last time Cena lost clean? I can't even remember.

I'm curious what they're going to do with Owens now. He pretty clearly proved tonight that he belongs on the main roster. Do they keep him as the NXT champion? Does dropping the title (assuming he loses it like Neville did before his call up) kill some of his momentum?

And if they aren't going to call him up, why have him beat Cena clean?

From what I read this was the first time that Cena has lost clean in a non-title, no stipulation PPV match since 2008 Summerslam against Batista.

Seven. Fucking. Years.

Overall, a fun PPV that was worth the watch. The tag team chamber match and Cena-Owens match were 'A' grades for me. The rest was pretty average though.

I personally don't really care for how they've already announced 6 of the participants for the MitB match, and that Cena-Owens will have a rematch in two weeks. Wish they created a little more intrigue with both of those storylines on Raw tonight.

Especially not thrilled that Kofi Kingston is one of the 6 MitB participants seeing as how 1) he's nowhere near the main event picture, so his automatic inclusion makes zero sense, and 2) this likely also means that The New Day wont be defending the tag titles at the MitB PPV. I figured after their not-so-clean win last night that the PTP or Kidd/Cesaro would be getting a shot at them.
 
From what I read this was the first time that Cena has lost clean in a non-title, no stipulation PPV match since 2008 Summerslam against Batista.

Seven. Fucking. Years.

Overall, a fun PPV that was worth the watch. The tag team chamber match and Cena-Owens match were 'A' grades for me. The rest was pretty average though.

I personally don't really care for how they've already announced 6 of the participants for the MitB match, and that Cena-Owens will have a rematch in two weeks. Wish they created a little more intrigue with both of those storylines on Raw tonight.

Especially not thrilled that Kofi Kingston is one of the 6 MitB participants seeing as how 1) he's nowhere near the main event picture, so his automatic inclusion makes zero sense, and 2) this likely also means that The New Day wont be defending the tag titles at the MitB PPV. I figured after their not-so-clean win last night that the PTP or Kidd/Cesaro would be getting a shot at them.

It really is absolutely absurd that Cena has gone that long without a clean loss, and it goes to show the great lengths the WWE will go to protect him. That's why I really hate that Owens is getting a rematch we all know he's almost a lock to lose. The guy has a ton of momentum, and losing to Cena two weeks after beating him, even if it's another great match, doesn't benefit him in the slightest. I feel like long rivalries with Cena just hurt younger guys more than anything, because everyone knows that Cena is going to end up winning them, which kills momentum for a guy trying to climb the roster.

And two weeks is definitely too soon for a rematch of one of the best matches of the year. If you're going to do a rematch, you should let the rivalry simmer a bit after the match those two put on. If Cena comes back and wins two weeks later, you've effectively just undone all the positives Owens got from that win. But this is the WWE, so that's probably what's going to happen. I really can't see them letting Cena lose two times in a row clean, although I guess Owens wouldn't really be hurt by a dirty win either. Still, very hard to see Cena losing twice in a row, which sucks for fans of Owens. If he wins, I'll be absolutely shocked.

As far as Kingston goes, well, they have to fill out the MitB match with some non-contenders, and Kingston has a pretty solid history of doing really cool spots in stipulation matches. He's likely in there to do his one or two cool things and then lose gracefully just like every other MitB or Rumble match he's been in. I also don't think it precludes the New Day from being in a tag title match since any of their three guys can defend the belts.
 
It really is absolutely absurd that Cena has gone that long without a clean loss, and it goes to show the great lengths the WWE will go to protect him. That's why I really hate that Owens is getting a rematch we all know he's almost a lock to lose. The guy has a ton of momentum, and losing to Cena two weeks after beating him, even if it's another great match, doesn't benefit him in the slightest. I feel like long rivalries with Cena just hurt younger guys more than anything, because everyone knows that Cena is going to end up winning them, which kills momentum for a guy trying to climb the roster.

And two weeks is definitely too soon for a rematch of one of the best matches of the year. If you're going to do a rematch, you should let the rivalry simmer a bit after the match those two put on. If Cena comes back and wins two weeks later, you've effectively just undone all the positives Owens got from that win. But this is the WWE, so that's probably what's going to happen. I really can't see them letting Cena lose two times in a row clean, although I guess Owens wouldn't really be hurt by a dirty win either. Still, very hard to see Cena losing twice in a row, which sucks for fans of Owens. If he wins, I'll be absolutely shocked.

As far as Kingston goes, well, they have to fill out the MitB match with some non-contenders, and Kingston has a pretty solid history of doing really cool spots in stipulation matches. He's likely in there to do his one or two cool things and then lose gracefully just like every other MitB or Rumble match he's been in. I also don't think it precludes the New Day from being in a tag title match since any of their three guys can defend the belts.

The best case scenario for the Cena-Owens rematch, other than another unlikely Owens clean win, is a non-finish... Owens DQ'ing himself by being too aggressive or something like that to continue to make himself look strong. If they have him go out and lose to Cena cleanly... then it definitely takes away from what happened last night. My fear is the same as yours which is Owens getting a win followed by 2-3 loses like Wyatt and Rusev did in their feuds with Cena, which killed both of those guys momentum.

I understand the idea for the Kofi inclusion for the cool spots, but with Neville being in the match too I figured that would satisfy the high flyer spot quota. Kofi just doesn't make a lot of sense in there from a booking standpoint when compared to the rest of the field of: Orton, Reigns, Ziggler, Sheamus, and even Neville. All upper mid card to main event guys. And with The New Day apparently being in some sort of alliance with The Authority the past week it would be odd to see them forced into a fair 2-on-2 match with the belts on the line. But I guess we'll see on that one.
 
The best case scenario for the Cena-Owens rematch, other than another unlikely Owens clean win, is a non-finish... Owens DQ'ing himself by being too aggressive or something like that to continue to make himself look strong. If they have him go out and lose to Cena cleanly... then it definitely takes away from what happened last night. My fear is the same as yours which is Owens getting a win followed by 2-3 loses like Wyatt and Rusev did in their feuds with Cena, which killed both of those guys momentum.

I understand the idea for the Kofi inclusion for the cool spots, but with Neville being in the match too I figured that would satisfy the high flyer spot quota. Kofi just doesn't make a lot of sense in there from a booking standpoint when compared to the rest of the field of: Orton, Reigns, Ziggler, Sheamus, and even Neville. All upper mid card to main event guys. And with The New Day apparently being in some sort of alliance with The Authority the past week it would be odd to see them forced into a fair 2-on-2 match with the belts on the line. But I guess we'll see on that one.

Well, presumably the tag team match would be before the ladder match, so Kofi could easily still be ringside and involved in the match.

But yeah...it is really sad that the WWE doesn't seem to recognize that losing multiple times to Cena hurts guys on the rise much more than it helps. This is especially true because I think a lot of people are like me and just get sick of seeing Cena fight the same guy for months at a time. His feuds are always too long these days, and that's especially true because he basically never winds up on the losing end of them. I'm fine with Cena winning feuds, but not when he has to win three times in a row to do it. Wrestlemania should have been the end of the Cena/Rusev feud, but instead it carried on for another two months and Rusev no longer looked dominant by the end of it.

It probably doesn't help that Cena has the two worst finishing moves in the world. The AA is less menacing than a lot of moves better guys do as regular moves, and the STF is by far the worst submission hold in the entire industry, at least the pussy ass way Cena applies it. It doesn't even look uncomfortable.

If he did more of this:
08.jpg


And less of this:
20120917_raw_cena_sheamus_punk_delrio.jpg


It would help a whole hell of a lot. The former looks convincing at least. The latter doesn't even look like it fucking hurts.

Did he accidentally hurt someone with it at some point that made him stop even trying to make it look real? Because it is just so goddamn awful that I feel like that's the only explanation. Making guys tap out to such a weak looking move is just cruel on the part of the WWE.
 
That might be the most annoying thing about Cena never losing is his AA, 5 knuckle shuffle, and STF finishers are so fucking sorry. The only way to make someone look strong by losing to him is taking like 3-4 of those to finally be put away. But the AA (out of nowhere) after Cena gets dominated an entire match is one of the hardest things to accept as a wrestling fan. I know it's no different than a Hogan leg drop 20-30 years ago, but that doesn't make it any easier to stomach watching.
 
That might be the most annoying thing about Cena never losing is his AA, 5 knuckle shuffle, and STF finishers are so fucking sorry. The only way to make someone look strong by losing to him is taking like 3-4 of those to finally be put away. But the AA (out of nowhere) after Cena gets dominated an entire match is one of the hardest things to accept as a wrestling fan. I know it's no different than a Hogan leg drop 20-30 years ago, but that doesn't make it any easier to stomach watching.

That brings up another thing I hate about Cena...how every fucking PPV it takes like forty finishers to put him away. It's obnoxious, and it devalues other guys' finishers, which is doubly annoying because Cena's are so terrible. I totally understand it taking two finishers to take a guy out in a big match, but I feel like Cena regularly takes four or five and keeps kicking out. I think kicking out of finishers like that should be reserved for major events like Wrestlemania. When you do it all the time, it becomes the norm, and kicking out of finishers shouldn't be the norm. They're finishers for a reason. Guys should never kick out of more than one during a standard PPV match.
 
So next year's Wrestlemania could potentially be:

The Rock (and maybe Ronda Rousey) vs Triple H (and maybe Stephanie)

The Undertaker vs Sting

Brock Lesnar vs Stone Cold
 
So next year's Wrestlemania could potentially be:

The Rock (and maybe Ronda Rousey) vs Triple H (and maybe Stephanie)

The Undertaker vs Sting

Brock Lesnar vs Stone Cold

Hard to imagine Stone Cold taking all those suplexes with his history of neck injuries.
 

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Video

Episode 3-14: "Time for Playoff Vengeance on Mickey"

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Spotify

Episode 3:14: " Time for Playoff Vengeance on Mickey."
Top