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http://www.athbaseball.com/20100723...ing-to-trade-zack-grienke-say-it-aint-so.html

When the Yankees appeared to be on the verge on trading for Cliff Lee, people were up in arms. Even Yankees fans themselves were turned off as there were as many Yankee fans that didn't want to do that as there were that did. The best quote from a long time Yankee fan was, "What's the point of playing the games if you know for certain that you have all the best players and there is no way the other team can win?"

However, at least the Yankees were going to be giving up prospects for a 1/2 season rental and after the year was over, Lee was going to be on the open market. Whether the Yankees were able to then resign him or not would have nothing to do with the fact that they had him for the half year prior because Lee was clear that he wanted to test the free agent waters.

Now today comes the news that the Kansas City Royals seem willing to trade anyone they have, including last year's Cy Young winner Zack Greinke. Of course, right away this news turned into, will the Yankees go after him. Did you expect a different headline from the NY Post?

Before you jump up and down complaining that the Yankees would once again get one of the very best players in baseball......, if the Kansas City Royals trade Zack Greinke to ANYONE at this time, they are the ones to blame and no one else. You would have to be a fool not to trade for such a young talent that is locked up through 2012. There isn't a team in the game that would not assume his contract. Even the Pittsburgh Pirates would find the money for it.

For those of you who want to talk about his subpar year to date and say that he's not a great player, that's hog wash. Sure he's not pitching like last year but in a "crappy year" he's still pitching to a 1.143 WHIP which places him 8th best on the list of full time starters in the AL in terms of the average number of runner placed on base per inning. If that's having a crappy year, I'll sign for a career of crappy years for my fantasy baseball staff right now and kick the butt of your fantasy team up and down the standings for years to come......

Zack Greinke isn't untouchable?

In 2008, the Royals were able to lock up their ace for the next four for $38 million. That's $9.5 million per year. Take a look at the top 25 salaries in baseball.

The first thing that jumps out at you is that the top four salaries in baseball are all players who play for the Yankees. When you consider that the Yankees have 25% of the highest paid players in baseball on their team, it seems a bit over the top, but it is what it is and we are all sick of pointing it out. On the flip side, it's not all rosy for the Yankees as I'm sure most other teams in the league laugh pretty hard at the fact the Yankees pay AJ Burnett $16,500 million per year....

The next thing you notice is that the 25th player, Hiroki Kuroda is making 63% more than Greinke at just under $15,500 million this year. We're talking Hiroki Kuroda! I don't even know what a Hiroki or a Kuroda is!

How in the world and for what in return could the Royals trade one of the very best pitchers in baseball who they have under contract for almost another 2 ½ years as such a discounted rate?

I understand that the Royals owner may be willing to sell the team. Does he think the team is worth more with Greinke off the team? If the Royals trade Zack Greinke to anyone for anything, neither the Yankees nor any other acquiring team should catch any flack. You can't blame teams who succeed because of the ineptness of others. - Gregory Shapiro


I doubt Grienke will get dealt, and I'm even more doubtful that they'd deal them to a division rival...but I would put together a HUGE package to offer KC to get him in Cleveland. What a mistake it would be for KC to deal him...
 
I would give up half our AA team.
 
Why trade for a guy you will lose in 2 years? I love the cat and would take him on my team, but I don't think the Tribe factors into this at all.
 
Why trade for a guy you will lose in 2 years? I love the cat and would take him on my team, but I don't think the Tribe factors into this at all.

If Antonetti felt the club was a stud starter away from jumping from a .500 team to a playoff contender, I would be all for a deal like this. As it is, this is a team still fully in rebuild mode, they can't be making trades like that right now.
 
Zach is a mental case. He will get crushed in New York if it happens. Besides, it's just as likely that 2009 was an outlier as it is that he's the best pitcher in the league. His 2010 looks a lot like his 07 and 08 seasons. The drop from the filthy K Rate of 2009 also has to be a concern. Don't get me wrong, he's still great.
 
This has nothing to do with the Indians. We are sellers this year, not buyers. Why the hell would we take on more salary knowing we are not going to win? Unless we cut the games back to 6 or 7 in the next 10 days or so, don't expect us to buy anyone to try to win now.
 
This has nothing to do with the Indians. We are sellers this year, not buyers. Why the hell would we take on more salary knowing we are not going to win? Unless we cut the games back to 6 or 7 in the next 10 days or so, don't expect us to buy anyone to try to win now.

Anytime you can get a guy like Grienke, you'd trade for him. All 32 teams would. The question is what it would take, and what price a team would be willing to pay.
 
You only trade for him if you will for sure no matter what resign the guy. You don't give up what we would have to give up if your not signing him. Its not like we are a pitcher away from a ring.
 
You only trade for him if you will for sure no matter what resign the guy. You don't give up what we would have to give up if your not signing him. Its not like we are a pitcher away from a ring.

I'm not so sure about that...this team's only glaring weakness is the lack of a #1 starter. Get him, re-sign Westbrook, sign a stop-gap 3B, and a veteran reliever, and who knows?

SS-Cabrera
CF-Sizemore
RF-Choo
C-Santana
3B-Free Agent
1B-LaPorta
DH-Hafner
2B-Donald
LF-Brantley

SP-Grienke/
SP-Carmona
SP-Westbrook
SPMasterson/
SP-Laffey/Talbot/Carrasco/Rondon/Gomez, etc

RP-Ambriz
RP-R. Perez
RP-Smith
RP-Sipp
RP-Free agent
CL-C. Perez


That team can win the division IMO, and once you're in the playoffs, anything can happen.
 
We won't trade for him, but if we did and we need to re-sign him in 2 years, wouldn't Hafner be off the books then? Him, Wood, Westbrook, Peralta combine to make well over 30 million and they'd be gone.
 
I guess I see more holes then that. I am not too sure about Sizemore like I used to be. Hafner and Brantley I also don't put much faith into. SP 3-5 don't look all that impressive either. Just seems like you don't really know what your going to get out of those guys. Thats not what you want on a championship team, but thats just my opinion.
 
We won't trade for him, but if we did and we need to re-sign him in 2 years, wouldn't Hafner be off the books then? Him, Wood, Westbrook, Peralta combine to make well over 30 million and they'd be gone.

Do you think we will be in spending mode by then though? Choo will probably be gone by then too.
 
I guess I see more holes then that. I am not too sure about Sizemore like I used to be. Hafner and Brantley I also don't put much faith into. SP 3-5 don't look all that impressive either. Just seems like you don't really know what your going to get out of those guys. Thats not what you want on a championship team, but thats just my opinion.

I think Sizemore will be fine. The last time he was fully healthy (2008) he hit .268/33 HR/90 RBI with a .375 OBP/.502 SLG/.868 OPS. Last season he wasn't fully healthy for most of his injury-shortened season...this season he started off slow then hit another hard luck injury. If he's healthy, he'll be really good. I just hope his hard-nosed play doesn't make him a regular on the DL.

Hafner is what he is. He's not the same player due to injuries (or, if you ask me, being on steroids). He's going to hit .250-.270, 15-20 HR, 60-75 RBI, and he'll miss quite a few games...and we just have to deal with that until after 2012.

I like Brantley a lot...give him time. He has a chance to be a catalyst for this team going forward.

Our SP problems aren't 3-5. We have plenty of guys who can be very good 3-5 guys. The problem is the lack of an ace pitcher. Carmona is pretty damn good, but I think he's more of a #2. If they can find a way to get an ace somehow, the rest of the rotation would fall into place.

Finally, there will be A LOT of money coming off the books soon. The payroll sits at $61 million right now. Westbrook's $11 M, Wood's $10 M, and Peralta's $5 M will come off the books following this season, bringing the payroll down to $35 M before the normal player raises. I would assume they'd work out an extension for Choo and maybe Cabrera and/or Santana, but there would still be plenty of money to use. After 2012, they also shed $13 M from Hafner and, if they choose, $8.5 from Sizemore. They have a lot of financial flexibility on the way.


Hafner's $12 M
 
When the Yankees appeared to be on the verge on trading for Cliff Lee, people were up in arms. Even Yankees fans themselves were turned off as there were as many Yankee fans that didn't want to do that as there were that did. The best quote from a long time Yankee fan was, "What's the point of playing the games if you know for certain that you have all the best players and there is no way the other team can win?".
The fuck are those clowns talking about ?Those aint Yankee fans....

Um, you go out there and get the best player you can possibly get at every position... If you have the means to do so and nobody else is willing, you do it... Fuck the owners that cry and won't spend money on their payroll...It's not the Yankees fault that they invest back into their team when everyone else is looking at the 'to-date' earnings...

You can't handle it then sell the team...

I would have loved to have had Lee on the Yankees this year... (Hopefully next year w/ a side order of Carl Crawford)
 
The fuck are those clowns talking about ?Those aint Yankee fans....

Um, you go out there and get the best player you can possibly get at every position... If you have the means to do so and nobody else is willing, you do it... Fuck the owners that cry and won't spend money on their payroll...It's not the Yankees fault that they invest back into their team when everyone else is looking at the 'to-date' earnings...

You can't handle it then sell the team...

I would have loved to have had Lee on the Yankees this year... (Hopefully next year w/ a side order of Carl Crawford)

I like how 'being able to print money because you are lucky enough to be in a market that big and only have to split it with one other team' is described as 'they invest back into their team'. The Yankees are incredibly rich because even if you cut the NY market in half, they have more of a population to work with than any city except LA. With the way that MLB revenue is so dependent on local broadcasts, the Yankees have access to money that 20+ teams couldn't even dream of. This isn't blaming the Yankees, or anything like that. Every team would act like they did if they had that kind of gross advantage (except some FOs wouldn't be turning a 120 win payroll into a 100 win team). It's just pathetic to hear Yankee fans come up with garbage excuses. You have a bunch of money to work with, shut your mouth and enjoy your success and the fact that Bud Selig is enjoying his 'to-date earnings' and not thinking about the long-term health of the sport.
 

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