Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

LennoxLewis said:

Moving Love does nothing, Cavs have to add talent without giving up any of the big 3.Its gonna be a big off-season for us, hopefully it doesn't start soon.

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How can they add Paul George without giving up Kyrie or Love?

Adding him is #1, after that add Melo which is likely more realistic.

chuck0609 said:

How can they add Paul George without giving up Kyrie or Love?

Adding him is #1, after that add Melo which is likely more realistic.

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We wouldn't be able to. Plus adding both George and Carmelo is a bit much, especially when both guys need the ball in their hands. Plus our big man depth as it is is not great to begin with.

Love has proved his worth these playoffs, trading him for another all star not named Anthony Davis, wont do much for us. I could see us adding Melo though, as long as certain things fall our way.

See, I don't understand that. I want to keep Love too but no team is going to hand over a star piece, that we NEED, for say TT/Shump. Why would they? Also, after much thought why not gamble on PG. We're obviously not winning with Love so it makes no sense to say "Well I'm not trading Love if George doesn't commit" we see right now that this Big 3 won't work.
A LeBron/Kyrie/PG13 tandem is a perfect combination of perimeter players to battle KD/Curry/Klay. It was never about Draymond. Let the role players neutralize his offensive production. Right now offensively Klay has been the better scorer than our best third on any given night. You telling me PG13 can't match or do better? It's all about offense.

Flight479 said:

See, I don't understand that. I want to keep Love too but no team is going to hand over a star piece, that we NEED, for say TT/Shump. Why would they? Also, after much thought why not gamble on PG. We're obviously not winning with Love so it makes no sense to say "Well I'm not trading Love if George doesn't commit" we see right now that this Big 3 won't work.
A LeBron/Kyrie/PG13 tandem is a perfect combination of perimeter players to battle KD/Curry/Klay. It was never about Draymond. Let the role players neutralize his offensive production. Right now offensively Klay has been the better scorer than our best third on any given night. You telling me PG13 can't match or do better? It's all about offense.

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Theres no guarantee we get PG for Love and honestly why would Indiana even think about a Love for PG swap? Especially when we are in the same conference?

Lebron/Love/Kyrie haven't been the main issue this series, our role players are struggling.

LennoxLewis said:

We wouldn't be able to. Plus adding both George and Carmelo is a bit much, especially when both guys need the ball in their hands. Plus our big man depth as it is is not great to begin with.

Love has proved his worth these playoffs, trading him for another all star not named Anthony Davis, wont do much for us. I could see us adding Melo though, as long as certain things fall our way.

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That's ridiculous. The only thing Love brings to the table over George, against the Warriors, are rebounds. George also is an above rebounder. George is an outside threat, better from 13-18 feet and is great at drawing fouls.
Just imagine LeBron has the ball. A double screen comes of Kyrie and George. PG13 makes a huge difference. Who does Curry guard? Now your backcourt is Kyrie and George, with LeBron at the 3. Curry will have to guard Kyrie now. Curry will be in foul trouble the majority of the series having to guard Kyrie or getting switched onto George . That's what we want. That's what we need. Curry in foul trouble last year was a key to winning the series. He hasn't been this year.

Cratylus said:

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Yuk..did ya have to do that??
Really?

Flight479 said:

That's ridiculous. The only thing Love brings to the table over George, against the Warriors, are rebounds. George also is an above rebounder. George is an outside threat, better from 13-18 feet and is great at drawing fouls.
Just imagine LeBron has the ball. A double screen comes of Kyrie and George. PG13 makes a huge difference. Who does Curry guard? Now your backcourt is Kyrie and George, with LeBron at the 3. Curry will have to guard Kyrie now. Curry will be in foul trouble the majority of the series having to guard Kyrie or getting switched onto George . That's what we want. That's what we need. Curry in foul trouble last year was a key to winning the series. He hasn't been this year.

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Fine lets play this scenario out, the Cavs trade Love for PG,roster stays the same other than that. Our starting lineup would be, KI, Jr, George, LeBron and TT? Warriors would just stick Curry on Jr, or Shumpert, or Korver. You have LeBron at the 3, but assuming we don't pick up a reliable PF or C, he would most likely play the 4 since we would have a backlog of wings.

Look I know what adding George would do for our team, but adding George by moving Love wouldn't be enough. In a series where we are struggling with rebounds, Love has come up big. We have to add talent without giving up much in return, that's gonna be difficult to do. We can only hope we luck into something like GSW did.

When your stretch 4 goes 1-9 from the field in the biggest game of the season thats not a good look. I don't care what the other numbers look like when I see that. At least when Kyrie was having bad games he was still shooting 40% and averaging 21.5ppg.

Also, sure he had 6 steals and a couple blocks, but these lazy/late closeouts he has are a killer on the defensive end. Many times the shooter has already released the ball by the time he gets a hand in the air. He's just not quick enough to match up again GS.

Hate to break it to you all, but Kevin won't be back next year.

SanduskyCav said:

When your stretch 4 goes 1-9 from the field in the biggest game of the season thats not a good look. I don't care what the other numbers look like when I see that. At least when Kyrie was having bad games he was still shooting 40% and averaging 21.5ppg.

Also, sure he had 6 steals and a couple blocks, but these lazy/late closeouts he has are a killer on the defensive end. Many times the shooter has already released the ball by the time he gets a hand in the air. He's just not quick enough to match up again GS.

Hate to break it to you all, but Kevin won't be back next year.

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Again the problem just isn't Love not being able to knock down shots.
Jr wasn't hitting in the first two games.
D.Williams was acting it like it was hunting season for deers.
TT is in the Chloe head fog ..
Korver wasn't hitting either.
No Defense*********
Add all of that up.
Cavs have to defense to their roster and some youth to keep up along finding another superstar player to add..and I hope NO ONE mentions Melo..he's gone physically.

LennoxLewis said:

Fine lets play this scenario out, the Cavs trade Love for PG,roster stays the same other than that. Our starting lineup would be, KI, Jr, George, LeBron and TT? Warriors would just stick Curry on Jr, or Shumpert, or Korver. You have LeBron at the 3, but assuming we don't pick up a reliable PF or C, he would most likely play the 4 since we would have a backlog of wings.

Look I know what adding George would do for our team, but adding George by moving Love wouldn't be enough. In a series where we are struggling with rebounds, Love has come up big. We have to add talent without giving up much in return, that's gonna be difficult to do. We can only hope we luck into something like GSW did.

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George would be placed at SG, we'd have to get a 4 that can be a threat from 3. Would you assume George wouldn't play the 2?

LennoxLewis said:

Fine lets play this scenario out, the Cavs trade Love for PG,roster stays the same other than that. Our starting lineup would be, KI, Jr, George, LeBron and TT? Warriors would just stick Curry on Jr, or Shumpert, or Korver. You have LeBron at the 3, but assuming we don't pick up a reliable PF or C, he would most likely play the 4 since we would have a backlog of wings.

Look I know what adding George would do for our team, but adding George by moving Love wouldn't be enough. In a series where we are struggling with rebounds, Love has come up big. We have to add talent without giving up much in return, that's gonna be difficult to do. We can only hope we luck into something like GSW did.

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Look George addresses nearly all our problems. A guy who is always reliable and can go off for 20+ nightly (Love doesn't offer that in our offense) Can guard Durant and play 2-4 switching with LeBron on occasion. We should try to acquire him whatever way we can if possible. The only better target is Kawhi and that will never happen. Plus a duo of Kyrie and George leading the second unit would solve a lot problems. I like Love, but I just don't see how we keep him if we want a player of George's caliber.

Look if the Cavs could get George for Love, I would be all for it, my thing is though it doesn't help us that much. Yes George gives us better perimeter defense, but we give up rebounding. As far as scoring goes, Love has had to sacrifice a lot offensively and it took him awhile to adjust. I'm sure George might struggle with this as well.

George can play the 2, but with the way our roster is set, he would probably be the 3. I'm sure the Cavs would add some sort of depth inside, but it won't be pretty.

It's simple, Golden State added Durant by letting role players walk. The Cavs have to try to do the same but through trades.

Flight479 said:

See, I don't understand that. I want to keep Love too but no team is going to hand over a star piece, that we NEED, for say TT/Shump. Why would they? Also, after much thought why not gamble on PG. We're obviously not winning with Love so it makes no sense to say "Well I'm not trading Love if George doesn't commit" we see right now that this Big 3 won't work.
A LeBron/Kyrie/PG13 tandem is a perfect combination of perimeter players to battle KD/Curry/Klay. It was never about Draymond. Let the role players neutralize his offensive production. Right now offensively Klay has been the better scorer than our best third on any given night. You telling me PG13 can't match or do better? It's all about offense.

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We dont needs a star piece. Someone who can actually shoot imo.

LennoxLewis said:

Look if the Cavs could get George for Love, I would be all for it, my thing is though it doesn't help us that much. Yes George gives us better perimeter defense, but we give up rebounding. As far as scoring goes, Love has had to sacrifice a lot offensively and it took him awhile to adjust. I'm sure George might struggle with this as well.

George can play the 2, but with the way our roster is set, he would probably be the 3. I'm sure the Cavs would add some sort of depth inside, but it won't be pretty.

It's simple, Golden State added Durant by letting role players walk. The Cavs have to try to do the same but through trades.

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Trading Love we would lose continuity + rebounding but we gain quite a bit

1. You get a long wing defender that can make Durant work. That will help Lebron

2. You get another ball handler that can create on his own. He's even a better 3 point shooter than Love and I would guess he doesn't get anywhere near the open looks he would get here. That would take pressure off Kyrie/Lebron

3. In the series against us PG was averaging 43 minutes a game. Love is only averaging 33 in the finals. 7-10 extra minutes a game in the finals with a star is huge.

4. I think PG is going to age better than Love. That might extend our window a bit.

5. With Lebron at the 4 we are much more athletic team.

This is not Love's fault but we're a team with limited assets and so far it looks like we have a lot of ground to cover. If Cavs don't make this series competitive I don't think Love will be on this team next year. It makes me sad but it is what it is.

Keep in mind that George is still a very good rebounder. He was at 10 per 100 i nthe playoffs and is a career 9.8 rebounds per 100 in the regular season. A LeBron and George sf/pf duo would not be a bad rebounding duo out of that position.

Now Love is a monster rebounder, so we would be losing some for sure. Other guys can perhaps pick up slack though. We get next to no rebounding out of our back court.