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Stark said:
Strained abdominal in his rehab start. Pretty sure they said he’s done for two weeks and they’ll reevaluate then.
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Ah - that's what I'd seen yesterday, so I was wondering of there was something new that I'd missed.
 
Stark said:
Indians Alumni WAR Rankings - Updated August 20th, 2019

For the guys tied in WAR, I tried to just rank them youngest to oldest, but I might have slipped up in a few places.
  1. Michael Brantley, HOU: 4.7
  2. Josh Donaldson, ATL: 4.0
  3. Gio Urshela, NYY: 3.4
  4. Edwin Encarnacion, NYY: 2.5
  5. Yandy Diaz, TB: 1.8
  6. Shin-Soo Choo, TEX: 1.6
  7. Cameron Maybin, NYY: 1.3
  8. Jay Bruce, PHI: 1.0
  9. Matt Albers, MIL: 0.8
  10. Asdrubal Cabrera, TEX: 0.8
  11. Bryan Shaw, COL: 0.8
  12. Yan Gomes, WSH: 0.7
  13. Josh Tomlin, ATL: 0.5
  14. Clint Frazier, NYY: 0.4
  15. Francisco Mejia, SD: 0.4
  16. Joe Smith, HOU: 0.3
  17. CC Sabathia, NYY: 0.2
  18. Matt Joyce, ATL: 0.2
  19. Andrew Miller, STL: 0.2
  20. Brad Miller, PHI: 0.2
  21. Jesus Aguilar, TB: 0.0
  22. Cody Allen, MIN: -0.1
  23. Trevor Bauer, CIN: -0.1
  24. Shawn Armstrong, BAL: -0.1
  25. Carlos Gonzalez, FA: -0.4
  26. Erik Gonzalez, PIT: -0.4
  27. Yonder Alonso, COL: -0.5
  28. Drew Pomeranz, MIL: -0.7
  29. Mark Reynolds, FA: -1.1
  30. Melky Cabrera, PIT: -1.3
Notes:
- Last I checked, Cody Allen was in the Twins minor league system but not on their 40-man. He could be in Siberia for all I know.
- Guys like Trevor Bauer and Brad Miller who played on the Indians this season are only having their WAR with their new team counted.
- Former Indian Lonnie Chisenhall is on the Pittsburgh Pirates but has missed the entire season thus far due to injury.
- Carlos Gonzalez and Mark Reynolds are both free agents, but have played in the majors in 2019.
- Cameron Maybin and Matt Joyce are both included since they were around in March/April of this season, despite not playing for the Indians during the regular season.
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Stark any idea what the WAR is for Anthony Santander? He was a minor leaguer that I was intrigued by that got picked in the Rule 5 draft by the Orioles a couple years ago.
 
BMAN said:
Stark any idea what the WAR is for Anthony Santander? He was a minor leaguer that I was intrigued by that got picked in the Rule 5 draft by the Orioles a couple years ago.
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Santander is at a 1.5 WAR this season for Baltimore, putting him ahead of Maybin and just a bit behind Choo.

In terms of position players on the Indians, he'd be behind only Santana, Lindor, Ramirez, Perez, and Mercado in terms of WAR.
 
Can MLB players rehab in the International League playoffs?
 
Stark said:
Santander is at a 1.5 WAR this season for Baltimore, putting him ahead of Maybin and just a bit behind Choo.

In terms of position players on the Indians, he'd be behind only Santana, Lindor, Ramirez, Perez, and Mercado in terms of WAR.
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Damn good for him. Not for us
 
kidduck said:
Hard to see how Kluber makes it back to the rotation this season. Tribe is likely in for a fight
to the finish for the Central title or a WC spot. 4 clubs playing it out for
three spots.

I hope for the best. I'm not so comfortable when the rotation goes past Clevinger
and Bieber.
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Assuming things go right there will still be 3+ weeks left in the regular season when he comes back. Not a huge amount of time but enough to get him back and stretched out to start.

But that's assuming things go right
 
Urban said:
Don't think I saw anything mentioned about Zimmer in here, but he debuted for Akron last night:

1-3 last night with a 2 RBI double and 1 K

1-2 tonight with a double through 3-1/2 innings
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It'd be incredible if he came back next year as the player we all expected him to be when he was first coming up.

I'm just not holding my breath.

I also don't even see a spot for him on the major league roster until it expands.
 
Urban said:
Don't think I saw anything mentioned about Zimmer in here, but he debuted for Akron last night:

1-3 last night with a 2 RBI double and 1 K

1-2 tonight with a double through 3-1/2 innings
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A full offseason of rehab for him and he should easily jump into our outfield contention for next season. I'm assuming that Franmil Reyes is going to be a DH 95% of the time next season, and LF/RF the other 5%, so I don't think he's really a contender.
  • Tyler Naquin
  • Oscar Mercado
  • Jordan Luplow
  • Bradley Zimmer
  • Greg Allen
  • Daniel Johnson
  • Jake Bauers
  • Andrew Velazquez
  • Ka'ai Tom (doubt it, but he's been great at CBus)
  • Plus any FAs we bring in
Should be a really fun spring to watch. I think the only absolute lock out of those guys would be Mercado. Anybody else could maybe lose their job if some other guy shines.
 
Stark said:
A full offseason of rehab for him and he should easily jump into our outfield contention for next season. I'm assuming that Franmil Reyes is going to be a DH 95% of the time next season, and LF/RF the other 5%, so I don't think he's really a contender.
  • Tyler Naquin
  • Oscar Mercado
  • Jordan Luplow
  • Bradley Zimmer
  • Greg Allen
  • Daniel Johnson
  • Jake Bauers
  • Andrew Velazquez
  • Ka'ai Tom (doubt it, but he's been great at CBus)
  • Plus any FAs we bring in
Should be a really fun spring to watch. I think the only absolute lock out of those guys would be Mercado. Anybody else could maybe lose their job if some other guy shines.
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If Zimmer can stay healthy, I think he will be given every opportunity to be the Opening Day CF.

Honestly, think Luplow is the safest on the list. Mercado is the only other RHH on the team and Luplow has excelled in his role. Mercado has the RHH thing going for him as well, but we are currently seeing Greg Allen cannibalizing his CF starts vs. RHP.

As long as Naquin is healthy, he should have the inside track for RF. Johnson would have to really show out to take that spot from him.

Bauers is the one that really needs to step up and flash some power to show he can be more than just an average player.
 
Stark said:
A full offseason of rehab for him and he should easily jump into our outfield contention for next season. I'm assuming that Franmil Reyes is going to be a DH 95% of the time next season, and LF/RF the other 5%, so I don't think he's really a contender.
  • Tyler Naquin
  • Oscar Mercado
  • Jordan Luplow
  • Bradley Zimmer
  • Greg Allen
  • Daniel Johnson
  • Jake Bauers
  • Andrew Velazquez
  • Ka'ai Tom (doubt it, but he's been great at CBus)
  • Plus any FAs we bring in
Should be a really fun spring to watch. I think the only absolute lock out of those guys would be Mercado. Anybody else could maybe lose their job if some other guy shines.
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Granted that anything could happen in the spring but don’t you think that not only Mercado but that Naquin, Allen, Luplow, Bauers and even Johnson are ahead of him
 
jack hammill said:
Granted that anything could happen in the spring but don’t you think that not only Mercado but that Naquin, Allen, Luplow, Bauers and even Johnson are ahead of him
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I'd say only Mercado is decisively ahead of him, and he's far from glued to CF. Could easily envision a Mercado-Zimmer-Naquin OF with Luplow coming in to face lefties
 
jack hammill said:
Granted that anything could happen in the spring but don’t you think that not only Mercado but that Naquin, Allen, Luplow, Bauers and even Johnson are ahead of him
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Johnson doesn't have a single MLB at-bat yet and Bauers was a negative WAR player this year and was pretty terrible in the outfield.

Zimmer, if healthy, projects to be a gold glove caliber centerfielder who can also swipe 30-40 bags given the opportunity.

Given what they've done this season, I'd wager that Mercado, Luplow, and Naquin are ahead of him as of now, and he and Greg Allen are probably pretty even.

Of course, Zimmer's shoulder might flame out again or something and this is all moot anyways.
 
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