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Freddie Kitchens: vaguely employed

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What grade to you give the Browns for hiring Freddie Kitchens as their next Head Coach?

  • A+

    Votes: 38 20.8%

  • A

    Votes: 57 31.1%

  • A-

    Votes: 15 8.2%

  • B

    Votes: 18 9.8%

  • Less than that, but I'm also not fun at parties.

    Votes: 55 30.1%
  • Total voters
    183
CavsFTW said:
Someone needs to mention this to Freddie. That may be enough to convince him to leave.
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King Stannis said:
On various media outlets I have noticed they pull out comparisons between Freddie and first year coaches like Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh etc., who were all quite successful but had tough rookie seasons.

However, when one considers that those teams were very young, often with many rookie starters at the dawn of a rebuild, and that many of those games were often hard-fought, and compares them to the undisciplined mess the Browns have been, one cannot claim Freddie is simply performing as the typical first year coach.

Time and time again the team looks like shit and playing worse than teams like the Dolphins who have zero talent. Penalties are omnipresent, play-calling highly dubious and time management non-existent.

If Jimmy Johnson or Bill Walsh had this Browns team I don't think they would have had losing rookie seasons.

One can look at the 49ers who were roughly in the same stage of rebuild as the Browns, and who are, more or less, at around the same talent level in terms of personnel, of what the Browns should look like under a good coach and coordinators.

Bottom line, Mr. Kitchens isn't merely suffering from the same issues as other rookie coaches, nor is his team so devoid of talent as to require overachieving to win. Kitchens simply looks incompetent and hasn't exhibited any improvement as the season has worn on.

Not sure if being terrible is something he'll grow out of.
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I happened to do this a few pages ago. Unfortunately it was my own idea, as I don't watch other media, and I do see the flawed argument.

Thank you for the insight.

AZ_ said:
The mere fact you must compare him to coaches from 30 years ago in order to cobble together a coherent argument speaks to just how terrible an argument it is
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Thank you for helping me lose faith in humanity.
 
Kbiz said:
It seems every press conference, Kitchen leaves me with a head scratcher of a soundbite. Certainly explains a lot.
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Doesn't look at stats .... doesn't seem to look at the game clock either. Usually "I don't look at stats" is coaching speak for "I don't want to talk about this player's bad stats", but then, Freddie usually just says "We are not going to talk about X, Y and Z" somewhere north of 20 times a press conference these days, so I think I have to believe him. He doesn't look like he's seeing the problem areas. He's just seeing one off problems with execution and preparation. Much like you'd expect from a running back coach or something.

For what it's worth, I don't think Mayfield is wildly missing passes. He seems to be consistently high. I mean the throws are high. I'm assuming Mayfield is sober.
 
I don't look at stats sounds like something a used car salesman would say.

Oh wait.
 
He literally gave a stat last week in regards to Brandon Allen and first starts for rookie QB's not being as bad as we'd expect them to be. What the hell is he talking about?
 
Can we talk about how Hubbard prevented a huge coaching debacle by Freddie and another impending loss by false starting on that 4th down? There was zero chance we were going to convert a touchdown there, and we needed those 3 points.

I shudder to think what would happen had we actually ran a play there.
 
shoes22 said:
Can we talk about how Hubbard prevented a huge coaching debacle by Freddie and another impending loss by false starting on that 4th down? There was zero chance we were going to convert a touchdown there, and we needed those 3 points.

I shudder to think what would happen had we actually ran a play there.
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Shades of Sashi botching the McCarron trade

sometimes a tyrant must be stopped
 
Triplethreat said:
I just want to say that Sean McVey the offensive wizard’s offense is fucking complete trash this year.

so I really just don’t even know in the NFL anymore
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The key to that offense is Gurley and he just doesn’t quite look the same
 
Doesn’t look like he’s lost the locker room. Have to hope that doesn’t happen any time soon. No chance he’s back next season though, imo. The team has to play in spite of him every week.

I was calling for patience early in the season, but I just don’t see any improvement out of him since then. The team is being penalized less, and Baker isn’t turning the ball over every third play, but that’s about it.

play calling is still shit. Still way too many plays being called that look like the team hasn’t practiced throughout the week. Players are very rarely having plays that look easy because of the scheme.

The Browns always look like they have to work infinitely harder for every yard than their opponent. With their talent level, that’s simply inexcusable.
 
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Cassity14 said:
Doesn’t look like he’s lost the locker room. Have to hope that doesn’t happen any time soon. No chance he’s back next season though, imo. The team has to play in spite of him every week.

I was calling for patience early in the season, but I just don’t see any improvement out of him since then. The team is being penalized less, and Baker isn’t turning the ball over every third play, but that’s about it.

play calling is still shit. Still way too many plays being called that look like the team hasn’t practiced throughout the week. Players are very rarely having plays that look easy because of the scheme.

The Browns always look like they have to work infinitely harder for every yard than their opponent. With their talent level, that’s simply inexcusable.
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Honestly, my biggest fear is that we will run this back another year. Our play calling, scripting, time and situation stuff is just so horrendously bad on offense.

Our schedule is so soft that we could manage another 5-6 games like yesterday......where we look like a god damn clown show on offense but still win.

I don't even want to think about the mental gymnastics we'll start hearing if we go 8-8 ish.
 
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