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Anyone wanna square the information straight in this thread?

Loooooootta conflicting info in here. Every other post contradicts the last one.
 
The Oi said:
Anyone wanna square the information straight in this thread?

Loooooootta conflicting info in here. Every other post contradicts the last one.
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FOH

This is America. We're all entitled to our own facts.
 
David. said:
He's also a clinical psychologist who tends to believe in western medicine and science, I'm not sure alternative medicine makes sense.

And he was much much better after he started this diet. He dropped like 30 pounds and looked healthy as hell. He's always suffered from seasonal depression.
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I am aware that he is a licensed psychologist which makes all of this all the more bizarre.

Aside from being ill from an all-beef diet. That is not recommended even with vitamin supplements.

But it seems more serious than malnutrition.
 
King Stannis said:
I am aware that he is a licensed psychologist which makes all of this all the more bizarre.

Aside from being ill from an all-beef diet. That is not recommended even with vitamin supplements.

But it seems more serious than malnutrition.
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Nutritional science is wild right now, everyone disagrees on everything.

I read an interview on ny post and it looked like he had been misdiagnosed a handful of times so he tried someone in Russia. Based in his daughter's story - which went similarly - I could see why he went that route. Whatever he did I'm sure it was particularly logical and calculated. His daughter is a spitting image and probably took a similar approach.

She wanted to die the first 20 years of her life and was constantly misdiagnosed and got better than worse than better until she did her own research on stuff and tried fixing her diet, which ultimately fixed whatever the hell she was going through. I'm sure this was in the same vein
 
David. said:
Nutritional science is wild right now, everyone disagrees on everything.

I read an interview on ny post and it looked like he had been misdiagnosed a handful of times so he tried someone in Russia. Based in his daughter's story - which went similarly - I could see why he went that route. Whatever he did I'm sure it was particularly logical and calculated. His daughter is a spitting image and probably took a similar approach.

She wanted to die the first 20 years of her life and was constantly misdiagnosed and got better than worse than better until she did her own research on stuff and tried fixing her diet, which ultimately fixed whatever the hell she was going through. I'm sure this was in the same vein
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Nutrition science may be everywhere, but that doesn't mean some of the basics are not correct. An all beef diet is decidedly dangerous for a number of reasons. Given his professional training he should know that making a commitment to such an unorthodox diet based off of the results from one subject could be problematic.

He may be smart, he may be trained, but it doesn't mean he was thinking straight; especially if one considers the mental strain he was in over his wife, his own depression and the well known phenomenon that desperate people may try most anything for relief.
 
King Stannis said:
Nutrition science may be everywhere, but that doesn't mean some of the basics are not correct. An all beef diet is decidedly dangerous for a number of reasons. Given his professional training he should know that making a commitment to such an unorthodox diet based off of the results from one subject could be problematic.

He may be smart, he may be trained, but it doesn't mean he was thinking straight; especially if one considers the mental strain he was in over his wife, his own depression and the well known phenomenon that desperate people may try most anything for relief.
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Right but that's the thing, it isn't "decidedly dangerous". For every professional that thinks it is, there's another that swears it's healthier than the alternative.

And if you follow him, he'd been at the carnivore diet for years and had ostensibly gotten better and healthier. Bc of it, just like his daughter.
 
David. said:
Right but that's the thing, it isn't "decidedly dangerous". For every professional that thinks it is, there's another that swears it's healthier than the alternative.

And if you follow him, he'd been at the carnivore diet for years and had ostensibly gotten better and healthier. Bc of it, just like his daughter.
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Not to be a wanker, but I have heard this line of thinking before and seen directly what alternative diets do to people. And an all-Beef diet is particularly bad.

Which professionals think it is a great idea? What is their education and training? What peer-reviewed, long-term studies have they conducted*?

As I said in my first post on the matter, NDs make a living pushing these unverified diets and there are reasons why many of them end up in court for malpractice, not unlike Shawn Baker did.

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Again, I want to distinguish between an all-Beef and all-meat diet. It is possible to live well on an all-meat diet for some people. But all beef? No evidence it is good in the long-run, indeed the opposite.

In this particular case there is no denying that people on all beef diets lose weight. They usually do. And there is a distinct reason why his daughter may not be having AI issues right now.

But are they healthier? Does his daughter get regular check-ups? What is her cholesterol level? How is her colon? Is her immune system simply suppressed or is it actively cratered? Has she done imaging on her bones to confirm that the arthritis has gone? More importantly, was she properly diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and autoimmune issues in the first place?

And while she claims her father had been misdiagnosed many times, we actually don't know anything about Jordan's condition right now. His daughter isn't a medical professional and is no position to diagnose what is wrong with him. It is very possible that he is suffering from some nutrition related illness.


*There have been long-term studies and they conclude it isn't a good idea.
 
King Stannis said:
I don't understand what you mean here.

He is saying he is scientist in the Western tradition.
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It seems like David:

1) Holds Jordan Peterson in high regard
2) Doesn't think reliance on alternative medicine is rational

Therefore, if others are saying that Peterson engaged in alternative medicine, he's saying that doesn't make sense.

Sometimes you just have to accept things at face value.
 
King Stannis said:
Not to be a wanker, but I have heard this line of thinking before and seen directly what alternative diets do to people. And an all-Beef diet is particularly bad.

Which professionals think it is a great idea? What is their education and training? What peer-reviewed, long-term studies have they conducted*?

As I said in my first post on the matter, NDs make a living pushing these unverified diets and there are reasons why many of them end up in court for malpractice, not unlike Shawn Baker did.

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Again, I want to distinguish between an all-Beef and all-meat diet. It is possible to live well on an all-meat diet for some people. But all beef? No evidence it is good in the long-run, indeed the opposite.

In this particular case there is no denying that people on all beef diets lose weight. They usually do. And there is a distinct reason why his daughter may not be having AI issues right now.

But are they healthier? Does his daughter get regular check-ups? What is her cholesterol level? How is her colon? Is her immune system simply suppressed or is it actively cratered? Has she done imaging on her bones to confirm that the arthritis has gone? More importantly, was she properly diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and autoimmune issues in the first place?

And while she claims her father had been misdiagnosed many times, we actually don't know anything about Jordan's condition right now. His daughter isn't a medical professional and is no position to diagnose what is wrong with him. It is very possible that he is suffering from some nutritiking there are many prenewiw related illness.


*There have been long-term studies and they conclude it isn't a good idea.
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you're not typically going to find great studies on entire diets (I just looked on Google scholar and found zero advocating either for or agasg or the diet, and several articles stating there hasn't been any significant research on.

And as I said in my first post, and after bejng particularly personally involved in diet for the last decade and seen the rise and fall of advocacy for and against everything from carbs to creatine to fat to vegan ism to carnivore diet to keto to everything between and seen the community at odds regarding every one of the issues I did and more that I didn't mention, it's lately a crap shoot and likely we don't know what we are talking about.

In any event, we do NOT know what is gojg on, you included, and I'm kot sure wu you put so much of an emphasis on his diet when almost every sign points to physical addiction and withdrawal to benzodiazipines. Sure it possibke the diet exacerbated his issuesbut that's a big leap made by someone who is kot a trained professional or familiar with his actual case any more than his daughter is and obviously much less than his daughter is.

She posted a video explainingg what's happened, maybe it's best for everyone to watch that.

Rafters he's coming the out of a medically induced coma in a hospital in Russia, that isn't an indiciator of alternative medicine.
 
David. said:
Rafters he's coming the out of a medically induced coma in a hospital in Russia, that isn't an indiciator of alternative medicine.
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Seeking out a medically-induced coma to deal with addiction isn't alternative medicine? It's something that isn't done over here. It definitely seems like an alternative to Western medicine that's only practiced in Russia and neighboring states, with no clear benefit and lots of potential risks.

Studies say that putting someone in a coma to deal with the worst effects of withdrawal does not lead to any higher chance the subject is cured of his initial addiction, and there are many obvious health risks to this.

So, why are you stating this "isn't an indicator of alternative medicine"?
 
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