2019-20 Cavaliers Regular Season Thread

What's to justify? The lottery and draft order are designed to help create parity. If the best team is Milwaukee as evidenced by thier record, and the worst team is us, we get the better pick.. I mean I really don't see the Knicks winning a title, even if they got four consecutive #1's because they make terrible picks..

CleveRocks said:

What's to justify? The lottery and draft order are designed to help create parity. If the best team is Milwaukee as evidenced by thier record, and the worst team is us, we get the better pick.. I mean I really don't see the Knicks winning a title, even if they got four consecutive #1's because they make terrible picks..

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And, a terrible owner.

cabs said:

if they cancel the season can they justify keeping the draft order as is... I feel they cant. Would be unfair that teams were playing their way out of a high pick for nothing

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I'm not so sure if they'll even call off the regular season and thus lottery positioning/odds, now that I'm reading that TV contracts want 70 games per team, and the few remaining games can serve to "warm up" the playoff teams.

Don't know if the 70 games rule includes any force majeure type rules, though.

If we end up with a few regular season games left, which I still see happening, interesting update on the timing:


Is it really going to take a month? Different situation, but I remember when Willis McGahee was able to un-retire on the spot, at an advanced age no less, after Browns traded Trent Richardson. Even had to learn a new playbook - although he of course knew Chudzinski from before.

We had a salary cap expert? Lmao

cabs said:

I’m saying it’s unfair for New York to have better lottery odds than Milwaukee when Milwaukee was winning games for nothing. The common assumption is the lottery odds will stand as they currently are with Knicks, Cavs having best odds when teams like Bucks and lakers were winning games which in the end were meaningless

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Ok. I didn't get where you were coming from. This makes sense, but you can't just throw out the data we do have because we don't have it all. Giving a top pick to Milwaukee or LA makes less sense.

You have to go with what their records are because it is the best we can do.

I have no idea how they will handle the 2020 champion if this goes on and on. Maybe they will never have one. I figure they have up until Christmas to do something. I think 5 game playoffs series or something in the fall. Break until Christmas and start up again.

6.19.2016 said:

If we end up with a few regular season games left, which I still see happening, interesting update on the timing:

GMs, Trainers Seek Month-Long Period To Get Players Back Into Shape Before Games

GMs, Trainers Seek Month-Long Period To Get Players Back Into Shape Before Games - RealGM Wiretap

basketball.realgm.com

Is it really going to take a month? Different situation, but I remember when Willis McGahee was able to un-retire on the spot, at an advanced age no less, after Browns traded Trent Richardson. Even had to learn a new playbook - although he of course knew Chudzinski from before.

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Most of these guys don't have access to a court or proper training facilities at the moment. Odds are McGahee was waiting for a call and was still working out as if he was on a team.

Think about it...NBA camp and preseason spans what, almost two months? And that's with guys coming in off of full-offseason training programs.

I personally think it only makes sense to go straight into the playoffs. Is the NBA really going to ask a team like the Cavs, with zero shot at making the playoffs, to take a month or more to get back in shape to play what would likely be 10 or fewer games? It seems like you're probably putting a lot of players at an unnecessary risk of injury for games that will have no fans.

Bob_The_Cat said:

I personally think it only makes sense to go straight into the playoffs. Is the NBA really going to ask a team like the Cavs, with zero shot at making the playoffs, to take a month or more to get back in shape to play what would likely be 10 or fewer games? It seems like you're probably putting a lot of players at an unnecessary risk of injury for games that will have no fans.

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I was originally 100% in agreement on that, but again, since then I learned that TV deals require a minimum of 70 games to fulfill the contract.

Not sure if or how this was worked around during lockouts (keep in mind that they cut into the start of seasons rather than the end, so everyone could plan accordingly. )

Of course reaching 70 is usually not a problem; the only "normal" season I can think of where anyone lost even one game was 2012-2013, where Boston and Indiana had 81-game regular seasons because of the marathon bombing. )

Edit, found the lockout answer - apparently 63 games might be enough:

Nice article on Porter

ansatsusha80 said:

Nylon Calculus Rookie Review: What did the Cavaliers see from Kevin Porter Jr.?

Even if the NBA regular season is canceled, we’ve seen enough to assess some notable rookies. What did the Cavaliers see from Kevin Porter Jr.?

fansided.com

Nice article on Porter

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Wow, they're pretty negative on him. The Cavaliers seem to like him a lot more.

If we get him to reach his potential (he can) be the cornerstone of an organization. His skill set is what the NBA is. - JB Bickerstaff on Kevin Porter, Jr, 3/4/20

As athletic as I think I am, I can’t do some of the things [Kevin Porter, Jr’s] done. There are some things he does athletically and things he sees on the court that scream, ‘I will be in the league, playing at a high level, for a while.’ - Larry Nance, Jr 3/4/20

I think we really haven’t even tapped into his potential yet. He’s really incredible, what he will be capable of in the future. - Kevin Love on Kevin Porter, Jr 2/24/20

Porter bounced back emphatically, delivering the kind of performance that has some within the team believing that he might be the one. The one to become the team’s best player at some point. The one to alter the franchise’s trajectory.

“There’s no might,” a player told cleveland.com before leaving the locker room. - Fedor, after win over Miami on 2/24/20

cabs said:

I’m saying it’s unfair for New York to have better lottery odds than Milwaukee when Milwaukee was winning games for nothing. The common assumption is the lottery odds will stand as they currently are with Knicks, Cavs having best odds when teams like Bucks and lakers were winning games which in the end were meaningless

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You're basically saying it is unfair because since teams didn't know the season was going to end, they all tried to win games and not tank. But the league -- and teams/players collectively - don't want teams to tank. Tanking is a undesirable consequence of the lottery that the league has done everything possible to minimize. So if ending the season early meant that teams kept trying to win games and not tank...that's a good thing.

It is actually the exact opposite of unfair. What is unfair are when decent teams decide to start tanking once they realize they won't make the playoffs, so they get a better draft slot than teams that are truly worse teams.

The Human Q-Tip said:

So you're saying it is unfair because every team didn't have the opportunity to tank?

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well not really but I can’t say I see the fairness in the warriors openly tanking and getting a high pick while other contenders miss out in a non finished season

But what I’m saying is the season and all standings are null and void if playoffs are cancelled because the season didn’t play out as intended, to me that’s just common sense in any sport. You’re basically rewarding last place without rewarding first place

cabs said:

well not really but I can’t say I see the fairness in the warriors openly tanking and getting a high pick while other contenders miss out in a non finished season

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The Warriors legitimately sucked and had little chance this season after Durant left and those injuries happened. Without Durant, Curry, and Thompson, Draymond Green was basically bad. It is akin to when Robinson went down for the Spurs and missed the entire 96-97 season, which led to them getting Duncan with the first pick in the draft. Yes, both the Spurs and GSW were teams that were still fundamentally sound, andin that sense it was "unfair" that they got good picks, but the injuries were legit. In any case, here's the example you used:

cabs said:

I’m saying it’s unfair for New York to have better lottery odds than Milwaukee when Milwaukee was winning games for nothing. The common assumption is the lottery odds will stand as they currently are with Knicks, Cavs having best odds when teams like Bucks and lakers were winning games which in the end were meaningless.

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So you were objecting to the Bucks and Lakers not having the opportunity to tank, and to get good picks like the Cavs and Knicks. Why should the rich get richer?And just as an aside, I'm not sure what kind of Cavs fan complains because the Cavs and Knicks, rather than the Bucks and Lakers, are getting the better draft picks. Actually, I guess I do know what kind of "Cavs" fan thinks that way.....

cabs said:

You’re basically rewarding last place without rewarding first place

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The draft is not meant to be a reward for finishing last. It is meant to be part of a system that helps the teams with less talent become more competitive in future season. Your complaint here subverts the entire logic behind the draft order.