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Bob_The_Cat said:
Here's something I find very odd about people calling Warren a hypocrite because his son is playing in the SEC:

-Most of these same people believe the players should have a say in whether or not they should play in the Big 10
-Most are saying the players are adults and can make their own decisions

-The SEC is going forward with their season
-Warren's son is an adult and can make his own decision

The train of logic is pretty easy to follow. Warren might actually be extremely pissed at his son, but there's nothing he can do about it because his son is an adult and earned a scholarship. It doesn't mean he's OK with it or agrees with what the SEC is doing. For all we know he told his son not to come back home if he left. Seems like there are a lot of assumptions being made with little-to-no information.

Isn't it also hypocritical to say the players should have a choice, and then chastise Warren for letting his adult son (who he has no control over) make the choice to play?
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No we are chastising him because he is not giving kids a choice in the big 10. If he comes out and says he told his son not to play and he thinks it is very dangerous to play then say his son went against his choice that is one thing. But we are not hearing that.
 
cavsfan1985 said:
No we are chastising him because he is not giving kids a choice in the big 10. If he comes out and says he told his son not to play and he thinks it is very dangerous to play then say his son went against his choice that is one thing. But we are not hearing that.
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Right, but you're making the assumption that because it hasn't been stated publicly that he approved of what his son is doing. It seems odd that so many people are taking a non-statement as guilt.

Couldn't it be just as plausible that he didn't approve of his son playing and he's trying to keep his son from being involved in some larger media circus over a decision that Warren made that actually has nothing to do with his son?

I personally don't care either way, I just find the stance interesting.
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
Right, but you're making the assumption that because it hasn't been stated publicly that he approved of what his son is doing. It seems odd that so many people are taking a non-statement as guilt.

Couldn't it be just as plausible that he didn't approve of his son playing and he's trying to keep his son from being involved in some larger media circus over a decision that Warren made that actually has nothing to do with his son?

I personally don't care either way, I just find the stance interesting.
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The optics of Warren’s son playing college football this fall after Warren canceled football for hundreds of young men are absolutely terrible and there’s no way around it. If he wants to keep his job, he should be hoping and praying that the other conferences don’t pull off a season.
 
It’s fair to wonder if Warren wants a season but doesn’t have support from University presidents.

That’s actually kind of how I’m reading the situation. It’s tough to defend a position you don’t believe in. Personally, I think that is why he’s been so silent. I agree the Big 10 has done an atrocious job in communicating.....like the worst job imaginable. I just think it’s possible the reason it’s been so horrific is because the office responsible for communicating their position, doesn’t agree with the position.
 
www.espn.com

Ga. State QB has COVID-related heart condition

Georgia State freshman QB Mikele Colasurdo, who arrived on campus in the spring, won't play this season after being diagnosed with a heart condition related to contracting COVID-19.
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Georgia State QB Mikele Colasurdo diagnosed with heart condition linked to COVID-19

Georgia State quarterback Mikele Colasurdo has been diagnosed with a heart condition as a result of contracting the coronavirus and won't be able to play football this season, he announced Thursday.

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Had yet to hear this but also noted in the article:

"Earlier this month, Debbie Rucker, the mother of Indiana offensive lineman Brady Feeney wrote a Facebook post about her son dealing with heart issues after testing positive for COVID-19."
 
SanduskyCav said:
So does anyone see anything with Warren happening? I think it’s absolutely ludicrous that he is allowing his son to play and cancels the B1G season. To me it makes him seem unfit for his position. Who does he report to? I would guess that this could be upsetting nearly the majority of the conference presidents/ADs. Is there a way to overrule him?
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No.

I strongly suspect that Warren is not making those kind of decisions for the Big 10 on his own authority. He's basically acting as the mouthpiece/shitscreen for the member schools. He may run or chair the meetings, but it is the votes of the representative schools that really drive the bus. So what his son's school may choose to do in a different conference shouldn't reflect on him personally.

I think it's important to note that OSU was/is allegedly trying to put together a group of six Big 10 schools to play a home and home season of ten games, and can't hit that number. Apparently, they're stuck at four, with Wisconsin and Michigan still a no. So that is only four schools out of 14 that want to play fall football. And if 10 of the 14 member schools don't want to play football, it doesn't matter who is running the Big Ten -- there's not going to be any football.
 
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MediumBaller said:
The optics of Warren’s son playing college football this fall after Warren canceled football for hundreds of young men are absolutely terrible and there’s no way around it. If he wants to keep his job, he should be hoping and praying that the other conferences don’t pull off a season.
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The optics are terrible if you assume that the decision not to play football is actually his to make. I don't believe that for a second, or we'd be hearing a majority of Big 10 school Presidents calling publicly for him to reverse "his" decision. The deafening silence coming from Big 10 Presidents suggest that he's saying exactly what they want him to say. That is, unless they're telling him privately they want him to reverse that decision, but if that was the case, why wouldn't he?
 
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billmac91 said:
It’s fair to wonder if Warren wants a season but doesn’t have support from University presidents.

That’s actually kind of how I’m reading the situation. It’s tough to defend a position you don’t believe in. Personally, I think that is why he’s been so silent. I agree the Big 10 has done an atrocious job in communicating.....like the worst job imaginable. I just think it’s possible the reason it’s been so horrific is because the office responsible for communicating their position, doesn’t agree with the position.
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My guess is a bit different, but along the same general lines.

Part of Warren's job is likely to be what we used to refer to as being a "shitscreen." Everyone knows this is a controversial decision, and the exact reasoning behind it may vary from school to school. For some schools it may be a matter of cost, for some the interrelationship between football and other fall sports, for others Covid, or a mix of all three that varies from school to school.

So I'd guess that Warren isn't saying much because the schools don't want him to say much. The official statement they issued was likely wordsmithed/negotiated between all the schools involved because none of them really want to deal with the PR from this individually. I think it is very telling that there has never been a press release or anything saying how each school actually voted. The school Presidents want any heat/public pressure/consequences to come down on Warren -- that's why they pay him -- and not come back on them. The consequence of that is exactly what is happening in microcosm here -- Warren is the screen that catches all the shit, and the University Presidents fly under the radar.

Which is exactly the way they want it.
 
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The Human Q-Tip said:
My guess is a bit different, but along the same general lines.

Part of Warren's job is likely to be what we used to refer to as being a "shitscreen." Everyone knows this is a controversial decision, and the exact reasoning behind it may vary from school to school. For some schools it may be a matter of cost, for some the interrelationship between football and other fall sports, for others Covid, or a mix of all three that varies from school to school.

So I'd guess that Warren isn't saying much because the schools don't want him to say much. The official statement they issued was likely wordsmithed/negotiated between all the schools involved because none of them really want to deal with the PR from this individually. I think it is very telling that there has never been a press release or anything saying how each school actually voted. The school Presidents want any heat/public pressure/consequences to come down on Warren -- that's why they pay him -- and not come back on them. The consequence of that is exactly what is happening in microcosm here -- Warren is the screen that catches all the shit, and the University Presidents fly under the radar.

Which is exactly the way they want it.
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So exactly what the NFL did with Roger Goodell. Paid handsomely to be one of the most hated men on earth.

So strange to now see Pennsylvania allow HS football as well. HS's allowed to play in PA and OH, and no PSU or OSU.

It's crazy.....

As an FSU alum, they sent me tailgating rules, and plans for tickets for upcoming season. They also just announced Jacksonville State as their new 11th game. So frustrating as someone who loves tOSU, to see these incoming e-mails about tailgate rules and season tickets at FSU. It's surreal....
 
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billmac91 said:
It doesn't sound like Warren is in Chicago, although my assumption is there must be a contingent of players and parents that got this meeting on the books.

I think there's momentum in the favor of having a season. I'm getting cautiously optimistic......
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There can't be a way K.Warren makes it out of this; he's got to bow out and come back at a d3 school in a year.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
That's blaming the messenger.

This isn't his decision.
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Right. If the majority of the Big 10 schools wanted to go forward with fall sports or disagreed with the decision, we would’ve heard from those President’s and A.D.’s by now. We haven’t aside from a couple, so it’s rather clear this is what the schools wanted.

Seeing the way cases are spiking are schools that have already returned to campus isn’t going to do anything to make them change their decision.
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
Right. If the majority of the Big 10 schools wanted to go forward with fall sports or disagreed with the decision, we would’ve heard from those President’s and A.D.’s by now. We haven’t aside from a couple, so it’s rather clear this is what the schools wanted.

Seeing the way cases are spiking are schools that have already returned to campus isn’t going to do anything to make them change their decision.
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Notre Dame put their football practice on pause. 3 ACC schools are going online in UNC, NC State, and Notre Dame (only two weeks). There is an article I posted in another thread of how disorganized Notre Dame's quarantine measures are. Kids are being put in unfurnished apartments and have to constantly call the university to get food.

Alabama said they are running out of quarantine space as their positivity rate increases.

I feel like we aren't learning on what we can and can't do. Everyone thinks they can plan better than the last group.

At least Kentucky Derby decided to not let fans in. I think insurance companies are stepping in for these fan events and just telling places that they won't insure them for the event. I wouldn't be too hopeful that schools or NFL teams will let fans in. Schools and NFL owners might have to take on that liability on their own which I can't see them doing.
 
inliner311 said:
I feel like we aren't learning on what we can and can't do. Everyone thinks they can plan better than the last group.
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The rest of your post was true, but this point is very key.

We’re learning on what we can and can’t do. We have been the whole time. However, most places/people are ignoring what we’ve learned in order to think we could achieve some sort of “normalcy.”

If we went by the recommendations of scientists and epidemiologists, I don’t think you’d find too many that would say the best idea would be to get kids from all over the country and put them into close spaces where they have to share bathrooms, showers, sinks, etc.
 
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