John Dorsey gets fired from the Chiefs and then they win the Superbowl a few years later. John Dorsey gets fired from the browns who are loaded with talent...
'And with the 1st pick of the 2022 draft, the Cleveland Browns select....'John Dorsey gets fired from the Chiefs and then they win the Superbowl a few years later. John Dorsey gets fired from the browns who are loaded with talent...
I have read recently that teams in need of a GM and head coach are looking at Dorsey with the understanding he will bring in one of "his guys" to coach, like Eric Bieniemy.
Overall I think Dorsey did a great job turning the roster around, I thought Eliot Wolf was the weakest link on talent evaluation, and Dorsey just stuck by "his guys" no matter what.
Wish him well with the Texans, the Chargers, or wherever he lands.
Dorsey is good at evaluating talent but basically sucks at everything else a general manager is required to do. This includes picking head coaches, building an organization, working well with others, holding people accountable, etc.
I'd be leery of hiring unless it was as something like Director of Player Personnel or a similar role. Otherwise, given his stops at KC and CLE, he seems to be a guy that just wears people out after a few years.
I'm in no way saying the Browns made a mistake letting him go. My point was simply to update RCF that his name is in the news again, especially franchises that are in a tailspin. The Texans and Lions have reportedly already reached out.
Just keeping tabs. Wherever he lands I want to see what his plans will be. Our roster has a lot of "his guys" and trades can be arranged.
I'm in no way saying the Browns made a mistake letting him go. My point was simply to update RCF that his name is in the news again, especially franchises that are in a tailspin. The Texans and Lions have reportedly already reached out.
Just keeping tabs. Wherever he lands I want to see what his plans will be. Our roster has a lot of "his guys" and trades can be arranged.
I think he is a better fit in Detroit. The Texans have no QB decision to be made, and the Lions have a very difficult one to make if moving forward with Stafford a borderline top 10 QB but he is starting to age.
He will be a good switch for the Lions for 4 years or so until he wears out his welcome, I think Houston can turn things around much quicker and should go after someone young and upcoming.
Is he?Dorsey is good at evaluating talent
Probably my least favourite part of these GM discussions is that while the GM is here, anyone critical of them are labeled pessimists or haters or whatever. They’re annointed as the one true king GM and any talk to the contrary is a bigly contrarian take
Then the second they are gone, the narrative does an entire 180 and he was always terrible and anyone who dares suggest he did some good is holding onto the past, not giving the new GM a chance etc
We’re already seeing it with Berry where sentiment is overwhelmingly positive that this is “the guy” and all others were false prophets. But if Berry is fired at some point the narrative will immediately shift to how bad he was to basically validate it
I was never even a big Dorsey guy, but price is moving sentiment on this one, not vice versa
I think there was a cult of personality around Dorsey. I know I called it out multiple times early on in his tenure, that any criticism of him was attacked harshly. These are both from June of 2019:Probably my least favourite part of these GM discussions is that while the GM is here, anyone critical of them are labeled pessimists or haters or whatever. They’re annointed as the one true king GM and any talk to the contrary is a bigly contrarian take
Then the second they are gone, the narrative does an entire 180 and he was always terrible and anyone who dares suggest he did some good is holding onto the past, not giving the new GM a chance etc
We’re already seeing it with Berry where sentiment is overwhelmingly positive that this is “the guy” and all others were false prophets. But if Berry is fired at some point the narrative will immediately shift to how bad he was to basically validate it
I was never even a big Dorsey guy, but price is moving sentiment on this one, not vice versa
Dorsey hasn't invested draft capital into the OL. The most he's spent was Corbett, who hasn't yet shown that he can play in the league.
Dorsey hasn't invested financially into the OL.
Dorsey traded away one of our best offensive linemen to add to our pass rush.
Dorsey has continued to draft speed and athleticism at "play making" positions (WR, DB, DL). If someone says that Dorsey has made protecting Baker a priority, there's the Dorsey cult of personality again. Dorsey is good, protecting the QB is good, therefore Dorsey must value protecting the QB. You're implanting your own football thoughts onto the man.
I feel one of the biggest reasons our running game was so effective was how good our interior OL was. I'm also worried about how far Kitchens is willing to remove himself from the offense in order to focus on being a head coach and letting Monken do his job.
I hope everything works out perfectly. But there are things to be aware of or concerned about.
Is he?
Again, thanks for Baker, but after that, he drafted Ward who a lot of people had as the consensus pick (Bradley Chubb was really the only other option at 4). After those two picks, the only other player he hit on is Nick Chubb, who exceeded everyone's expectations, including Dorsey's, because Dorsey took Corbett two picks ahead of him.
2018: Austin Corbett, Chad Thomas, Antonio Callaway, Genard Avery, Damion Ratley, Simeon Thomas.
2019: Greedy Williams, Sione Takitaki, Sheldrick Redwine, Mack Wilson, Austin Seibert, Drew Forbes, Donnie Lewis
In what world is this a good talent evaluator? Not only is it a piss-poor job of evaluating talent, but he went through a good chunk of the assets we had stockpiled at a blistering pace.