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2021 Draft Prospects Thread

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(I think the corner class is really good, although it misses that big time prospect that would go top 10)
 
AZ_ said:
D’Ante Smith from ECU is a name to watch for the Browns in the middle rounds.


Blowing up at the Sr. Bowl. Plus plus metrics and length, great athleticism.

Appears to be a great fit for the ZBS.
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Didn't know anything about him, but I love the concept of getting developmental backup OL in the middle rounds.

You may well be right about this particular guy. I just have absolute faith in Bill Callahan being involved in the draft process.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Didn't know anything about him, but I love the concept of getting developmental backup OL in the middle rounds.

You may well be right about this particular guy. I just have absolute faith in Bill Callahan being involved in the draft process.
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Absolutely, at this point I'm just trying to ID guys who meet the height, weight, length metrics and measuring their perceived athleticism and adaptability to the ZBS.

Callahan has certainly developed some tendencies in the types of players he's developed over the years.
 
AZ_ said:
Absolutely, at this point I'm just trying to ID guys who meet the height, weight, length metrics and measuring their perceived athleticism and adaptability to the ZBS.

Callahan has certainly developed some tendencies in the types of players he's developed over the years.
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Really impressed with what Callahan got out of Dunn and Hubbard, and we definitely need to find a replacement for the latter.
 
I think the OL depth is better than people think. All five starters are good/great.

Between Michael Dunn (26), Blake Hance (25), Drew Forbes (24), Alex Taylor (23) and Nick Harris (22), IMO the Browns have plenty of developmental depth.

Plus you still have Hubbard under contract for another year depending on how well he recovers from his knee injury. If he can't, they could always resign Lamm for peanuts as well.

If there's a guy who is no questions asked BPA or someone they're supremely confident can develop into a quality starter in time like Teller did, then so be it. Pick him.

But outside of that, I am not overly interested in using any picks on OL at this point. Let Callahan keep working with the young guys he already has.
 
CBBI said:
I think the OL depth is better than people think. All five starters are good/great.

Between Michael Dunn (26), Blake Hance (25), Drew Forbes (24), Alex Taylor (23) and Nick Harris (22), IMO the Browns have plenty of developmental depth.

Plus you still have Hubbard under contract for another year depending on how well he recovers from his knee injury. If he can't, they could always resign Lamm for peanuts as well.

If there's a guy who is no questions asked BPA or someone they're supremely confident can develop into a quality starter in time like Teller did, then so be it. Pick him.

But outside of that, I am not overly interested in using any picks on OL at this point. Let Callahan keep working with the young guys he already has.
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I think OL is like WR. You should take at least one in every draft. Doesn't have to be day one or two, but take shots on guys with intriguing athletic profiles but a lack of production that causes them to fall to day three.

We did this with DPJ and it worked out. He may never be a star but he looked like a competent NFL backup this year and made some big plays when called upon.
 
Jack Brickman said:
I think OL is like WR. You should take at least one in every draft. Doesn't have to be day one or two, but take shots on guys with intriguing athletic profiles but a lack of production that causes them to fall to day three.

We did this with DPJ and it worked out. He may never be a star but he looked like a competent NFL backup this year and made some big plays when called upon.
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I don't think we can use last year's WR class as an example of anything moving forward. The class was historically loaded. DPJ is probably a third-fourth round pick most years.
 
CBBI said:
I think the OL depth is better than people think. All five starters are good/great.

Between Michael Dunn (26), Blake Hance (25), Drew Forbes (24), Alex Taylor (23) and Nick Harris (22), IMO the Browns have plenty of developmental depth.

Plus you still have Hubbard under contract for another year depending on how well he recovers from his knee injury. If he can't, they could always resign Lamm for peanuts as well.

If there's a guy who is no questions asked BPA or someone they're supremely confident can develop into a quality starter in time like Teller did, then so be it. Pick him.

But outside of that, I am not overly interested in using any picks on OL at this point. Let Callahan keep working with the young guys he already has.
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I see it like the Tribe looks at minor league pitching... if you have Bill fucking Callahan on your staff and your swing tackle just blew out his knee... grab a young guy you like on day three and see what Callahan can do.
 
CBBI said:
I think the OL depth is better than people think. All five starters are good/great.

Between Michael Dunn (26), Blake Hance (25), Drew Forbes (24), Alex Taylor (23) and Nick Harris (22), IMO the Browns have plenty of developmental depth.

Plus you still have Hubbard under contract for another year depending on how well he recovers from his knee injury. If he can't, they could always resign Lamm for peanuts as well.

If there's a guy who is no questions asked BPA or someone they're supremely confident can develop into a quality starter in time like Teller did, then so be it. Pick him.

But outside of that, I am not overly interested in using any picks on OL at this point. Let Callahan keep working with the young guys he already has.
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Dunn, Forbes, and Harris are all interior linemen, As far as OT's go, Lamm was pretty bad, and Hance was worse. If Callahan spots a good young tackle from the third round on, I'd grab him.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Dunn, Forbes, and Harris are all interior linemen, As far as OT's go, Lamm was pretty bad, and Hance was worse. If Callahan spots a good young tackle from the third round on, I'd grab him.
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The Browns just drafted their starting LT in the first round and just gave the third biggest contract in NFL history from an average annual value perspective to their starting RT and you'd be fine using a top 100 pick on a tackle?

That is just not a good use of assets given the holes the Browns have at other positions. There's no realistic scenario where a third round pick is going to be better than Wills or Conklin, so you're literally drafting a backup. Just can't do that with a top 100 pick.

I'm all for adding depth, but OL just isn't like most other positions.

1. There's no rotation. Starting OL only come out when they get hurt, otherwise they play 100% of the snaps.
2. They really don't get injured as much as other position groups.

2015: 8 games missed across 5 players
2016: 14 games missed across 5 players
2017: 6 games missed across 5 players
2018: 8 games missed across 5 players
2019: 12 games missed across 5 players
2020: 7 games missed across 5 players

You're talking about an average of less than 2 games missed per player across the OL per season. The Browns have had 17 linemen play all 16 games since 2015.

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CBBI said:
The Browns just drafted their starting LT in the first round and just gave the third biggest contract in NFL history from an average annual value perspective to their starting RT and you'd be fine using a top 100 pick on a tackle?
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You can call it "top 100" if you'd like because that sounds more impressive, but what I actually said would be somewhere between pick 89, and undrafted. And yes....I'd be fine with that. A late third round OT is not a year one or probably even a year 2 starter. If yCallahan/Berry thought he was good enough, he's the guy you'd move in for Conklin at some point as a starter. And given Callahan's evaluation skills, if we grabbed a guy there who showed a lot of promise during the snaps in which he was in, we could probably move him for something better if we wanted to.


CBBI said:
That is just not a good use of assets given the holes the Browns have at other positions. There's no realistic scenario where a third round pick is going to be better than Wills or Conklin, so you're literally drafting a backup. Just can't do that with a top 100 pick.

I'm all for adding depth, but OL just isn't like most other positions.

1. There's no rotation. Starting OL only come out when they get hurt, otherwise they play 100% of the snaps.
2. They really don't get injured as much as other position groups.

2015: 8 games missed across 5 players
2016: 14 games missed across 5 players
2017: 6 games missed across 5 players
2018: 8 games missed across 5 players
2019: 12 games missed across 5 players
2020: 7 games missed across 5 players

You're talking about an average of less than 2 games missed per player across the OL per season. The Browns have had 17 linemen play all 16 games since 2015.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I'm not sure how you're counting games missed, but I assume you're counting a "game played" if a guy plays even one snap before getting hurt. I wouldn't -- I'd count as a missed game if a guy missed more than a quarter. And you're also excluding missed playoff games in 2020. I wouldn't do that either in terms of assessing the need for depth.

Anyway, I don't want to see Hance in even one, much less two, playoff games next year. So I'm hoping for depth.
 
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