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Kevin Porter Jr looks fucking amazing on tape. IDGAF.
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2019 Draft, Pick #30 - Kevin Porter Jr., USC
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Unfortunately, as we discussed ad nauseum, it was never the court that was the problem...well not the BASKETBALL court. But agreed, it’s so frustrating to see all the talent and skill that kid has, but watch him have absolutely no clue how to be decent human being.
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This thread should be moved to “Around the G League.”
We were able to draft this undeniably talented head case at the butt end of the first round for a reason.
We were able to draft this undeniably talented head case at the butt end of the first round for a reason.
I get that KPJ was bad for culture but i don't understand drawing the line on him when you let other bullshit go. He's 20 and more talented than anyone else on the roster, If he matures a little he's your best player. No surprise the drama didn't stop after he left, there's no accountability for the veterans who act out but you basically give away your most talented player for nothing! This rebuild has really taken a step back since he's been traded and also the players have mostly played like shit since then. Maybe our other young players are now pissed about the situation. If Koby can't manage these egos than get rid of him. Damn, I'm so sour about the KPJ situation.
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The only logical explanation for why neither the Cavs nor any other team wanted him despite his clear talent is because they know that his level of bullshit was much worse than the usual "other bullshit" teams tolerate with other players.
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With all that talent, and so many other players get away with bullshit, makes you wonder the level of bullshit. I am guessing he is gang banging still and no team wants that shit around their players. I am sure the bullshit is quite more extensive than you realize.
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How so? KPJ's problems started here before Drummond was late for his first practice, and KPJ wasn't even here to see that Drummond was late for that practice. Not to mention that "late to practice", standing alone, isn't a huge deal. And at the time KPJ did return to the team, Drummond was balling out, at least defensively.
This problem is of KPJ's making, and it is again worth noting that despite KPJ's trade value tanking about as far as possible, not a single player defended him. Nor did his agent utter a peep in his defense. Nor did KPJ. All these arguments about "the Cavs deserve blame as well because of "___________" have been created out of whole cloth by fans, with literally no evidence at all.
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All we heard about was accountability and this great culture. How is the culture now? That is what I am referring to. There is no accountability. Altman can't control several players on his club, including the guys with the 2 biggest contracts. So my confidence in his ability to navigate the KPJ situation is low.
I can't buy into the culture of accountability when we come to find out it never existed. That is all. We saw it on the court and heard about it in the locker room.
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Reminds me of two other Cleveland Sports figures that couldn’t get their heads together long enough to stay on the field!
(Manziel and Gordon)! Sometimes you have to cut the cord and move on. I’m sure there were a lot of behind the scenes stuff we we’re privy to but I didn’t see/hear a lot of what the Cavs did to help salvage this kid’s career.
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KPJ was marched out of the building carrying his crap in a box, then traded in humiliating fashion. Drummond was benched, and his chances of getting a big contract next season from anyone are in the crapper.
How is that not accountability? Non-accountability would have been letting KPJ stay with the team despite his antics, and keeping Drummond in the starting lineup. Cavs did neither.
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I saw some stuff that various players and coaches tried to contact him over the summer, give him some structure, etc., And he just didn't respond to their efforts. Not much you can do if the guy himself doesn't want help, nor thinks he needs it.
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As is true of so many other areas in life, the wisdom we need regarding KPJ can be found from "Breaking Bad." Specifically, Mike Ehrmantraut:
You are a time bomb. Tick, tick, tick. And I have no intention of being around for the "boom."
The Cavs/Koby did the wise thing by dumping KPJ, no matter how many ticks there may be before that "boom" occurs, and no matter how much good basketball KPJ might play before then. They drafted him, invested a year and a half of development time and resources into him, and he was still making knuckleheaded (and potentially criminal) decisions with his life. Those who look at it as purely a basketball decision, without consideration of the other factors, are naively living in a world that simply does not exist.
You are a time bomb. Tick, tick, tick. And I have no intention of being around for the "boom."
The Cavs/Koby did the wise thing by dumping KPJ, no matter how many ticks there may be before that "boom" occurs, and no matter how much good basketball KPJ might play before then. They drafted him, invested a year and a half of development time and resources into him, and he was still making knuckleheaded (and potentially criminal) decisions with his life. Those who look at it as purely a basketball decision, without consideration of the other factors, are naively living in a world that simply does not exist.
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That is a nice way of saying he hasn't fucked up there yet.