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2021 Draft Prospects Thread

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At this point I feel like there’s s pretty defined list of players that if they are all gone by the time 26 rolls around you’re better off trading down.

- I don’t take an edge if it’s not Phillips or Paye.
- I don’t take a LB if it isn’t JOK, and even then I’m not sure the team values the position highly enough to do it
- I don’t take a CB if it isn’t Farley who has fallen because of medicals.

outside of those guys, and acknowledging that all of ‘em depend on a slide down to varying degrees, I don’t think the value is there.

luckily, this class is flooded with High end offensive talent at WR, QB and OL, so I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that one of those guys do fall through the cracks, but if they don’t I think we’re better off cutting our losses and moving back in the second/third round
 
I might be in the minority but Berry is highly unlikely to draft 9 players this draft. So they will be making some moves. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Berry package some picks and move up in the first round and draft a guy they really like in the teens
 
Bkerr02 said:
I might be in the minority but Berry is highly unlikely to draft 9 players this draft. So they will be making some moves. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Berry package some picks and move up in the first round and draft a guy they really like in the teens
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I dont think it will be the first, too expensive.

We have a pick in each round, and 2 in the 3rd and 2 in the 4th. I can see us using our 5th,. 6th or 7th round pick to move up in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round to get a player we really like.

We might trade a pick for a future pick too, like one of our 3rd picks for a 2nd pick next year.

Overall i bet we come out of this draft with 6 or 7 players selected.
 
Lee said:
I dont think it will be the first, too expensive.

We have a pick in each round, and 2 in the 3rd and 2 in the 4th. I can see us using our 5th,. 6th or 7th round pick to move up in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round to get a player we really like.

We might trade a pick for a future pick too, like one of our 3rd picks for a 2nd pick next year.

Overall i bet we come out of this draft with 6 or 7 players selected.
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Hard to get back into Round 1 from their spot in R2 without giving up quite a lot more, IMO.

Definitely don’t think they’ll hesitate to go get a guy they went a few picks early, I’m hoping they’ll be pretty aggressive overall.

Nine picks is a lot to add to this team, with how much depth it seems like they’ve built.


Also...they should probably take a QB at some point. Right? Baker isn’t extended yet.
 
Bkerr02 said:
I might be in the minority but Berry is highly unlikely to draft 9 players this draft. So they will be making some moves. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Berry package some picks and move up in the first round and draft a guy they really like in the teens
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If anything, I think it's the opposite.. I agree with you they may trade picks, but I think it'll be to trade back and for future picks...

The Browns FO is all about creating more value, so I could see them trading a 3 for a future 2, or a 4 for a future 3...
 
AZ_ said:
Hard to get back into Round 1 from their spot in R2 without giving up quite a lot more, IMO.

Definitely don’t think they’ll hesitate to go get a guy they went a few picks early, I’m hoping they’ll be pretty aggressive overall.

Nine picks is a lot to add to this team, with how much depth it seems like they’ve built.


Also...they should probably take a QB at some point. Right? Baker isn’t extended yet.
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...Justin Fields may drop...




#JustKidding
 
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I wouldn't be pissed but I'd be pretty disappointed if the Browns waited until the 4th or later to take a WR.

The way they used Jojo Natson last year tells me they want that horizontal guy. I don't think you get that later in the draft.
 
AZ_ said:
Also...they should probably take a QB at some point. Right? Baker isn’t extended yet.
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Charlie Whitehurst is living under an I-71 bridge, ready to go.

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AZ_ said:
Hard to get back into Round 1 from their spot in R2 without giving up quite a lot more, IMO.

Definitely don’t think they’ll hesitate to go get a guy they went a few picks early, I’m hoping they’ll be pretty aggressive overall.

Nine picks is a lot to add to this team, with how much depth it seems like they’ve built.


Also...they should probably take a QB at some point. Right? Baker isn’t extended yet.
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No QB this year, maybe next. We have 5 more years of Baker if we want. 2 more on the contract and 3 franchise tags. Its not what we should do, but Baker not being extended yet 3 years into a 5 year contract is not a big deal. Browns are committed to him and Baker is committed to us.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
I'll bet you whatever you'd like that we don't draft Jamin Davis in the first round.

I don't think free agency is going to influence our first draft selection.
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If they don't draft him or Collins I would hope it was because JOK was still there or that Davis/Collins were gone already.
There will be plenty of DB's and WR's available throughout the draft with depth at both positions so unless they hate the options that will be there later for Edge and CB or don't think they can make a trade then why not get that LB that is a immediate upgrade?
 
Ozone said:
If they don't draft him or Collins I would hope it was because JOK was still there or that Davis/Collins were gone already.
There will be plenty of DB's and WR's available throughout the draft with depth at both positions so unless they hate the options that will be there later for Edge and CB or don't think they can make a trade then why not get that LB that is a immediate upgrade?
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Bc LB in this defense isn’t very important.
 
Bkerr02 said:
Bc LB in this defense isn’t very important.
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I disagree. Linebackers weren't worth a huge free agency investment. Linebackers weren't worth a top 15 pick. That much is accurate.

However, picking at #26 is a relatively cheap rookie scale contract. If the Browns are going to have at least one linebacker on the field for every defensive snap, that's a fine spot if the right player is there.
 
Ozone said:
If they don't draft him or Collins I would hope it was because JOK was still there or that Davis/Collins were gone already.
There will be plenty of DB's and WR's available throughout the draft with depth at both positions so unless they hate the options that will be there later for Edge and CB or don't think they can make a trade then why not get that LB that is a immediate upgrade?
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I mean, or it could be that neither Zaven Collins nor Jamin Davis is worth as much as a myriad of other players available at that selection.

You don't draft for need. That's how you draft bad players. That's how you end up with a mid-round favorite, like Jamin Davis, going in the first round :chuckle: When I brought him up on this forum, I'm not even sure any major site had him ahead of his teammate, Chazz Shurratt.

You pick the best player available. You say there are plenty of other people at any position available... you realize there are plenty of players available at every position after pick 26, right? What a worthless, throwaway argument.

It's like seeing money on the ground and picking up a quarter instead of a dollar because you want a soda from the vending machine. Pick the more valuable asset. You'll have more sodas over the long-term by doing that. It's going to be really rare for that more valuable asset to be a linebacker in this regime. Get used to that fact.

Finally, to say with certainty that a raw project like Zaven Collins is an "immediate upgrade" in a base 4-2-5 defense is certainly a leap. I'm high on Collins, but his play at Tulsa basically just shows off his athleticism. Dude still has lots of questions to answer regarding his processing, ability to play football, and ability to play in a pro scheme. At Tulsa, the basic 2-gap read, shoot the right gap they asked him to do on most downs isn't replicable in the NFL as nobody actually runs a defense like that.

Honestly, even if JOK is on the board, I wouldn't be surprised if Berry passed on him. I'd be disappointed, but not surprised. If we drafted someone like Collins, I may be excited. I really do like Zaven Collins. I just really don't think that's the player Berry would allocate a premium draft asset towards. If we draft Jamin Davis at 26, I'd be absolutely shocked.
 
Randolphkeys said:
I'm seeing a lot of folk on Twitter jumping all over cornerbacks to the Browns in round one, but don't sleep on the depth of the position in this draft. I count roughly 12-14 corners who have the talent to start day one. Maybe they can't be a shutdown corner as a rookie, but good enough to start opposite Ward.

I feel the same way about outside corners as I feel about receivers in the 2021 NFL Draft class: don't be that guy who only knows the Dan Jeremiah top 50 list and thinks the draft ends there.
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I agree with this and I think there is reason to wait to take a cornerback.

Only point I want to make is that it is exceedingly rare for non-first round corners to be even average starters in their first year. I usually am pretty critical of how PFF uses stats, but I think this article is pretty fair. The success in the first round is extraordinarily high - pretty much as high as any other position and higher than most. But there is a sizable drop-off into the second and, after that, you're probably better off drafting a superb athlete and hoping you can teach them to be a good starter.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-investigating-historical-draft-success-at-defensive-positions

If the Browns do want a starting corner this year then I would say you have to do it in the first or second. I think this draft is deep enough where a few future starters may be available going into day three.
 
Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
I mean, or it could be that neither Zaven Collins nor Jamin Davis is worth as much as a myriad of other players available at that selection.

You don't draft for need. That's how you draft bad players. That's how you end up with a mid-round favorite, like Jamin Davis, going in the first round :chuckle: When I brought him up on this forum, I'm not even sure any major site had him ahead of his teammate, Chazz Shurratt.

You pick the best player available. You say there are plenty of other people at any position available... you realize there are plenty of players available at every position after pick 26, right? What a worthless, throwaway argument.

It's like seeing money on the ground and picking up a quarter instead of a dollar because you want a soda from the vending machine. Pick the more valuable asset. You'll have more sodas over the long-term by doing that. It's going to be really rare for that more valuable asset to be a linebacker in this regime. Get used to that fact.

Finally, to say with certainty that a raw project like Zaven Collins is an "immediate upgrade" in a base 4-2-5 defense is certainly a leap. I'm high on Collins, but his play at Tulsa basically just shows off his athleticism. Dude still has lots of questions to answer regarding his processing, ability to play football, and ability to play in a pro scheme. At Tulsa, the basic 2-gap read, shoot the right gap they asked him to do on most downs isn't replicable in the NFL as nobody actually runs a defense like that.

Honestly, even if JOK is on the board, I wouldn't be surprised if Berry passed on him. I'd be disappointed, but not surprised. If we drafted someone like Collins, I may be excited. I really do like Zaven Collins. I just really don't think that's the player Berry would allocate a premium draft asset towards. If we draft Jamin Davis at 26, I'd be absolutely shocked.
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I agree you dont pick for just need if there are better options at different positions like for example they should draft Oweh for his potential or Newsome if he is there or maybe Farley slides, but lets say Kadarius Toney slides and is available or some other option of a position of less need but has exceptional skill they take him and dont look back but obviously another team might give up value to leapfrog another team to take your pick for that guy etc and you walk away just as happy.
not all boards are the same. Jamin Davis of Kentucky didnt play with Surrat at UNC unless there is a 3rd brother and it is absolutely possible after his season and stand out pro day he is a late first early 2nd grade option even as a LB imo.
I have been hoping he would stay sleeping and they could steal him at 59 but that won't happen now. He is easily the Benji on strippers hip not the dolla
 
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