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Is it punishable by death to give some credit to Dorsey too? Off the top of my head he netted us:

Landry
Baker
Ward
Chubb
OBJ
Ward
Teller
Hunt
Richardson
Vernon
TakiTaki
Wilson
Greedy

Obviously he has some misses, but who doesn’t? In my opinion he really jump started this thing. I think it’s fair to give him some love too.
 
B Mac said:
Is it punishable by death to give some credit to Dorsey too? Off the top of my head he netted us:

Landry
Baker
Ward
Chubb
OBJ
Ward
Teller
Hunt
Richardson
Vernon
TakiTaki
Wilson
Greedy

Obviously he has some misses, but who doesn’t? In my opinion he really jump started this thing. I think it’s fair to give him some love too.
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Sashi too.
 
Kevalier said:
This will probably sound hyperbolic, but both Berry and Stefanski are about as ideal as it gets for their respective positions. Their intellect, communication skills, organization and temperament are all off the charts. The best thing to happen to Cleveland sports in quite some time was Jimmy Haslam finally allowing an executive in DePodesta to take the reigns in creating the organizational hierarchy. DePodesta, Berry and Stefanski are all cut from the same cloth and we're all reaping the rewards now because of it. As always, the moral of the story is that baseball guys are the smartest and to wholly trust in them.
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I've always thought being a pro sports owner is actually a very tough job to get right, because it is dependent on someone who is a non-expert in a field choosing between different experts as to whose knowledge is superior. And it is in a field where expertise is hotly disputed even among those who are experts. I'm sure that each time Jimmy hired someone, he wanted to hire the best available guy for the job, and thought/hoped that whoever he hired was the best guy for the job. And even though he very likely got some advice/guidance from some "experts", it still was hit and miss. The key for him was the (derided by some even here) move of hiring DePodesta in 2016. DePodesta wasn't a football guy, but he was a sports management guy who could help Jimmy make better decisions about hiring.

I think what we have now is actually what Jimmy wanted all along. He didn't want to be a "meddling" owner. He just wanted the right person at the top so he no longer has to make football-related hiring decisions for which he knew he lacked the expertise. He's handed over the operational keys to Berry, DePodesta, and Stefanski, and no longer has guess about how to haphazardly fix an organization that wasn't succeeding.

He and Dee get to just sit in the owners box and watch, and that's what he really wanted all along.
 
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Sashi & Dorsey helped build this, but no way in hell would they have made this entire organization a super bowl contender. We would have been a middle of the road team at best under Dorsey and a decent coach.

We are in alignment from top to bottom. Few franchsirs capture that. The few that do usually win. The winners who don't have that same structure are as rare as lightning and usually are a shit show the flowing year.
 
Cement said:
Sashi too.
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He is, after all, the reason that Dorsey had so many picks to play with. We don't have Ward or Chubb without those Texans picks. I'm sure there are others too.

I think the main issue with Sashi was that, at the end of the day, he just didn't know football well enough. He was whip smart and understood the analytical side of football, but he fell short when it came to the actual player evaluation side. Berry is just as smart and gets the numbers side but has also been in football for his whole life.
 
Sashi did what he did. Dorsey wasn't without value, the 2018 draft was pretty spot on, but he made two lethal errors that deservedly cost him the job. Obviously the Kithchen gaffe was awful and predictable. Dorsey not backing off his Freddy love after his disastrous season was the final piece in his firing. But Dorsey's total dismissal of analytics was even worse in hindsight, it would have lost Depodesta for us, and without PD's overall guiding vision there would have been little chance for Haslam to assemble the single visioned staff he has now. Depo, Berry, and Stefanski have all done their jobs at a high level, but it was the moneyball guy that finally got through to Jimmy and Dee to give us the set up we have now. I'm not sure it was worth the 30 year wait, but its sure fun to see now.
 
Jack Brickman said:
He is, after all, the reason that Dorsey had so many picks to play with. We don't have Ward or Chubb without those Texans picks. I'm sure there are others too.

I think the main issue with Sashi was that, at the end of the day, he just didn't know football well enough. He was whip smart and understood the analytical side of football, but he fell short when it came to the actual player evaluation side. Berry is just as smart and gets the numbers side but has also been in football for his whole life.
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I know it’s lame to do this and NO GM nails every top100 pick, but it’s pretty crazy to think our 2018 rounds 1-3 could have easily been:

Baker Mayfield
Denzel Ward
Darius Leonard
Nick Chubb
Orlando Brown or Mark Andrews

Which could make a legit argument for best NFL team draft of the past 30 years.

Strangely, even with the busts of Austin Corbett and Chad Thomas, two savvy trades(one made by Dorsey, one by Berry), could still make our 2018 Draft Class members an all time Browns great draft if Teller and Harrison continue their trajectories

Baker, Ward, Chubb, Harrison, Teller
 
2017 is even more fun. Could have come out of the first three rounds with Myles Garrett, TreDavious White, TJ Watt, Dalvin Tomlinson, and Alvin Kamara(+ the trade down pick that of course became Ward in 2018)
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
I've always thought being a pro sports owner is actually a very tough job to get right, because it is dependent on someone who is a non-expert in a field choosing between different experts as to whose knowledge is superior. And it is in a field where expertise is hotly disputed even among those who are experts. I'm sure that each time Jimmy hired someone, he wanted to hire the best available guy for the job, and thought/hoped that whoever he hired was the best guy for the job. And even though he very likely got some advice/guidance from some "experts", it still was hit and miss. The key for him was the (derided by some even here) move of hiring DePodesta in 2016. DePodesta wasn't a football guy, but he was a sports management guy who could help Jimmy make better decisions about hiring.

I think what we have now is actually what Jimmy wanted all along. He didn't want to be a "meddling" owner. He just wanted the right person at the top so he no longer has to make football-related hiring decisions for which he knew he lacked the expertise. He's handed over the operational keys to Berry, DePodesta, and Stefanski, and no longer has guess about how to haphazardly fix an organization that wasn't succeeding.

He and Dee get to just sit in the owners box and watch, and that's what he really wanted all along.
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Slight disagree here because of the 2014? Draft. He sat in the war room and pushed Ray Farmer to get Johnny. Jimmy had a new toy and wanted to play GM. Which is of course understandable. He did have to grow into the owner role and he has, but he also wanted to meddle at first and he did.

Personally I think the franchise inflection point was hiring Sashi Brown, the architect of the tank. He also netted all the picks that Dorsey, for the most part, hit on. He was our Sam Hinke. But he only really knew how to tear down and acquire draft capital. It was the right move to let someone else make those picks.

Dorsey made some good picks, but the culture was wrong and he “gut feel” botched the hiring of Freddie and refused to admit a mistake, due to his old school ways and toxic masculinity.

Berry, DePo, and Kevski are the right guys. Finally. Culture is good. Philosophy is all the same and built for the modern game. There will be bumps but I think we are set for the next decade w these guys. I sure hope so at least.

There are a lot of smart franchises. We are finally one of them.
 
How big of a deal do you think it is in terms of relations with players and attracting FAs that our FO has young African-American dudes mostly running the show?
 
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