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It took Draymond until age 24 before he was a good enough ballhandler and passer to take on a significant offensive role. For Sengun, that's the year 2027. He has plenty of prime developmental years to continue working on his skills, and I think he could certainly end up as skilled as Green by the time that he's in his prime.



You kind of said it yourself that the way Sengun looks to create offense is pretty exceptional for a player his size. It's up to good coaching and team construction to figure out how to make the most of that unusual talent, but I think if you're swinging for ceiling (and you should be) it's a good strategy to draft players like that.



Sengun's a statistical outlier in many ways, but if you're thinking about immediate impact, he's averaging 10 offensive rebounds+steals+blocks per 40. He's not the kind of guy who just stands around if you're not drawing up plays for him...he plays with a great motor and makes things happen on the court. I don't think he's going to win games for you right away (most 19-year-olds won't), but he's going to be in the thick of the action because that's just how he plays.
Green was an exceptional passer in College, which is what caught my eye beck then..

I can get on the Segun train.. He plays hard and through a lot of contact. Very good court vision, sense of timing which some players never acquire.. I don't see a center there at all, but perhaps a stretch four / wing..

Worst case a poor man's sabonis.. I doubt he goes number one, but if we are 4-6 we could do worse
 
I'll assume Cade, Mobley, Kuminga, Suggs, Barnes, and Green are all in your top 8. Who are the other two you feel are absolute better choices over Sengun? Not saying there is anything wrong with that, just curious who the other two are for you.
Not sure yet just don't see this gm going for a non stretch big at all at that point where you are entering the range of the draft where you look for high floor over boom bust 3 years into a rebuild.
If they are gonna reach on a developmental player again I would think Keon Johnson with his size at the point and freakish Vince Carter hops has to be in the mix , but I like the upside of Greg Brown for fit in the front court and on the perimeter in that range. It's a reach maybe without trading down some but the tools are there.
later : adding this thought on Jalen Johnson who if it were not for the KPJ sort of personality problems making me think Altman stays away from him could be a really good fit on this team with his exceptional playmaking ability on the wing.
 
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I'm going all out and hoping for a miracle and ending up 1 or 2 and getting Mobley!
 
Sengun's Turkish League season came to an end with another loss, but he did finish on a high note himself with 23 points, 7 boards, and 5 assists. Notable highlights include a pair of 3's at 0:30 and 2:30, and slick passes at 1:50 and 2:10. Couldn't do anything to slow down Efes's elite offense, though.


He now has about a month off before Olympic qualifiers at the end of June.
 
Sengun's Turkish League season came to an end with another loss, but he did finish on a high note himself with 23 points, 7 boards, and 5 assists. Notable highlights include a pair of 3's at 0:30 and 2:30, and slick passes at 1:50 and 2:10. Couldn't do anything to slow down Efes's elite offense, though.


He now has about a month off before Olympic qualifiers at the end of June.

Dude is a unicorn.. his only weakness to me is his length/height and his shoulder width. Not sure how much muscle he can pack on them.

Very impressive young man.
 
I've said it before, but Sengun reminds me of Minnesota Kevin Love. Not saying he's gonna be an MVP candidate, but his style of play, where he operates, and what he does best reminds me of him as he began slimming down. I'm sure there's pushback or disagreement, but that's where my head goes; and I'd be happy to add that to this roster.
 
If you draft for fit, basically excluding PG, SG, and C, you eliminate 3 of the top 5 and probably 5-6 of the top 10 prospects. I don't think the Cavs are far enough along in their rebuild that they can afford to be that picky.

Relative to the players in this draft and how I personally would slot a board, I really think there just isn't a top 6 scenario that won't be good for the Cavs. Hopefully I am correct on that view, as it would be nice if we kind of didn't have scenarios where we can screw this up.

I love Green but I think you are trading one of Sexton or Garland on draft night if you are doing that......as you cannot realistically have 4 top 8 picks invested in the guard position. That would be insane.

1 or 2 and I'd be shocked if we didn't take Cade or Mobley.
3 I think we trade with whoever wants Green
4 I think we trade with whoever wants Suggs
5 I think we draft our favorite wing
6 I think we draft our favorite wing
7 We all curl up on the floor and sob

Teams we want to be interested in Green or Suggs, relative to their collection of assets: OKC or New Orleans. I think Suggs specifically is a perfect fit for both of those teams........and then collect some additional asset for Suggs. I.e. we pick 4th, NOP picks 5th, in order to not be jumped by someone for Suggs, we get our second back in the 30's, take Barnes at #5 and then have that #35 asset to take someone who slides, or have a cheap avenue in to the late 1st for another piece.
 
I also have one mea culpa after watching a lot of Suggs film......

If the organization thinks Garland is the guy to build around, assuming Suggs is a legit 6'4"......I kind of like him a lot as a SG next to Garland. Just watching him play, he seems unselfish enough to make something like that work.

The shooting moderately scares me.......but just his ability to rebound, defend, cut / relocate and be a secondary playmaker. It is all just the perfect skillset to put next to Darius. Maybe that is an insane idea, to move Suggs off the point......but his film just screams combo guard to me......and I also think his profile is more palatable there as well.

Suggs involves (probably) moving Collin......which I'm sure we have not considered at this point. But Suggs is specifically the guy I would love to hear the Cavs internally debate about. Especially if there is any momentum internally for Garland being "the guy".

This seems to be a draft where I like guys more when considering them for non consensus positions (Suggs as a 2, Cade as a 3). Curious to see where these guys land and how those teams use them.
 
I also have one mea culpa after watching a lot of Suggs film......

If the organization thinks Garland is the guy to build around, assuming Suggs is a legit 6'4"......I kind of like him a lot as a SG next to Garland. Just watching him play, he seems unselfish enough to make something like that work.

The shooting moderately scares me.......but just his ability to rebound, defend, cut / relocate and be a secondary playmaker. It is all just the perfect skillset to put next to Darius. Maybe that is an insane idea, to move Suggs off the point......but his film just screams combo guard to me......and I also think his profile is more palatable there as well.

Suggs involves (probably) moving Collin......which I'm sure we have not considered at this point. But Suggs is specifically the guy I would love to hear the Cavs internally debate about. Especially if there is any momentum internally for Garland being "the guy".

This seems to be a draft where I like guys more when considering them for non consensus positions (Suggs as a 2, Cade as a 3). Curious to see where these guys land and how those teams use them.

Is Garland/Suggs/Okoro a viable 1/2/3, assuming we trade Sexton in this scenario?
 
Dude is a unicorn.. his only weakness to me is his length/height and his shoulder width. Not sure how much muscle he can pack on them.

Very impressive young man.

Looks like a PF to me.

Is he good defensively? Looks like they couldn't even slow that team down
 
Looks like a PF to me.

Is he good defensively? Looks like they couldn't even slow that team down

Good defensively? hard to tell how he is going to look like in the NBA. He has the BB IQ, hands, timing to pile up boxscore defensive stats, but i'm not sure how he is going to look like defensively guarding nba guards in space and nba centers. He is going to need to grow into his body and really improve his physique. He is so young, so it's possible.

I suppose Nathan is more fit to answer this question though.
 
Good defensively? hard to tell how he is going to look like in the NBA. He has the BB IQ, hands, timing to pile up boxscore defensive stats, but i'm not sure how he is going to look like defensively guarding nba guards in space and nba centers. He is going to need to grow into his body and really improve his physique. He is so young, so it's possible.

I suppose Nathan is more fit to answer this question though.

That's the biggest thing. What does he look like next to NBA athletes. Watching those highlights it seemed like very little defense was being played.
 
Is Garland/Suggs/Okoro a viable 1/2/3, assuming we trade Sexton in this scenario?

The answer is probably.....if either Suggs or Okoro become a good shooter.

But staggering minutes with those 3 seems like a nice fit.....because Suggs can certainly slide to the point and make room for Okoro at the 2, when Garland is off. Skillset wise, I'm not sure the offense changes all that much with Suggs at the point, which should make reserve minutes easier. Defensively, there are nice crunch time lineups.

I just think navigating a Sexton trade is pretty tough for the org.....and the degree of difficulty pretty high. I'm sure the most likely scenario is we just stand pat on those guys......but it is one of the fly on the wall conversations I'd be most interested in, if Suggs was there and he was the #1 player on our board. Would they actually take him......and if so, what deck shuffling would immediately be in order.
 
Sengun's Turkish League season came to an end with another loss, but he did finish on a high note himself with 23 points, 7 boards, and 5 assists. Notable highlights include a pair of 3's at 0:30 and 2:30, and slick passes at 1:50 and 2:10. Couldn't do anything to slow down Efes's elite offense, though.


He now has about a month off before Olympic qualifiers at the end of June.
Ive seen Cedi attempt some of those passes. Hard no from me.
 
Looks like a PF to me.

Is he good defensively? Looks like they couldn't even slow that team down

Good defensively? hard to tell how he is going to look like in the NBA. He has the BB IQ, hands, timing to pile up boxscore defensive stats, but i'm not sure how he is going to look like defensively guarding nba guards in space and nba centers. He is going to need to grow into his body and really improve his physique. He is so young, so it's possible.

I suppose Nathan is more fit to answer this question though.

Besiktas is not a good defensive team. Only 3 of their main rotation players (including Sengun) are taller than 6'4", and all of them are basically rookies. A lot of their games are shootouts, and they can win shootouts because they're a young team that thrives on pace and energy. Going into the series against Efes, they were averaging 92 ppg over their last 10 games, a very high average for 40-minute games (Gonzaga led the NCAA with 91ppg, for comparison).

Unfortunately for them, Efes is an even better offensive team...they led Euroleague with 62% true shooting and an offensive rating of 121.4, both incredible numbers. For comparison, the Nets led the NBA with 61% true shooting and a 118.3 offensive rating. That's obviously not to say that they're as talented as the Nets, just that they cut through the competition they faced in Europe about as easily as the Nets cut through NBA competition. And they're even more dominant against lower-level Turkish League competition like Besiktas.

The only real hope was for Efes to have a random cold-shooting game, but that never happened. They raced out to 30+ point first quarters in all three games, led by dynamic 6'5" combo guard Vasilje Micic who's generally considered to be the best guard in Europe right now, if not the best player overall.


In the last play here, you can see that Sengun is just a bit indecisive, unsure if he should help on Micic's drive or stick to his man (a 43% 3-point shooter).

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He belatedly decides to help, and he *almost* gets the block, but gives up the and-1 instead, the worst possible outcome. I think this was his second foul, too, so this sent him to the bench.

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That's just one play, obviously, but it sort of sums up how the more skilled Efes team preyed on the youth and inexperience of Besiktas. I don't think Sengun has any serious red flags defensively, and I think it's generally a good sign that he's trying to make plays even if he isn't always successful, but he's definitely a work in progress.
 

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