they have not had the lottery yet lol they are not trading the pick unless it is not in the top 6 imo and of course this idea that trading your best scorer for some NEW player will fix everything is just nutty imo
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Springer's younger, and seems closer to having functional point guard ability and shooting ability. He also got basically identical rebound/steal/block numbers to Keon, so he's still filling up the box score reasonably well even if he's not a freak athlete. I'd feel a lot more comfortable drafting him.
JK has vision and good playmaking ability as a secondary I don't think he will have any trouble fitting into any system and for me that makes him very high ceiling type. He is the youngest player in the draft I think or one of them and so to be as skilled as he is is pretty impressive. His shot selection sucked badly in the second half of the GL season for sure especially after they fell out of it. He started off looking great though. I heard he was nursing an injury so maybe that was a factor who knows. I have him right up there with Mobley as far as potential but I like Mobley a little more right now.I would probably land somewhere in this ballpark.
1. Cade
2. Green
3. Mobley
4. Barnes
5. Suggs
6. Sengun
7. Wagner
8. Kuminga
9-10. There's too many guys in this slot
I honestly don't love Kuminga's ceiling from what I personally see. I think all of the guys above him have exhibited playmaking skills that he has not. And the likelihood Kuminga's ceiling involves a developed playmaking game, I think, is probably pretty low.
I don't know, maybe I am reacting too much to a small sample size but when you see his production vs. a lot of guys my stuff was high on last year, who ended up in the G-League (and produced), there is just a wide gulf there. Guys like Nwora, Reed.....who were standouts against that competition level. Kuminga is younger obviously but I thought it was somewhat concerning how he didn't really do anything that stood out statistically on a per 100 basis.....it was just all "meh".
I would put Cade & Green ahead of Mobley, as I think if everything goes right, those guys can be offensive engines.....whereas Mobley is more like Bosh or Bosh+.......a great player but I'm not sure his ceiling is that of a truly transcendent offensive player. Maybe I am wrong there though.
I also think this is a pretty interesting class, where the ceilings kind of 6-12 are all in the same area code. I had trouble picking once I got past Suggs but if I had to bet on guys in that group, relative to their production and age, it would probably be Sengun & Wagner.
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We know how this turns out and Cav are stuck with the 7th or 8th pick.
If any of the teams picking ahead of the Cavz would swap Their pick for Sexton resulting n Jalen Green I would do that in a heartbeat
why would you trade an unknown pick that could be 1 or anywhere in the top 4 for that matter based on the logic there is a 25% chance of picking 7th and only 4 11% chances on each top 4 draw?
I get what you are saying but nobody is getting Sexton for that low ball offer. I would not trade anyone on the Cavs roster drafted in the lottery in the recent past to move up at all I would consider trading garland if he could get them another lottery pick esp if Suggs was the BPA at 6
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Hell they went out and won three or four games down the stretch they should have sat starters for! If they get 12th it’s their fault. Deepest draft in years and Koby manages to blow our chances for a top four player.
9th is the worst they can pick and it would mean 4 not top 4 teams won the lottery draws. That is not probable at all.
7 is the most probable but its still only 25% Cavs have a 11% 4 times every time they draw the top 4 to get one of them its not great but not much worse than 14% each time for Houston or Detroit, The Cavs could easily be sitting in the top 4 after the lottery and there is no reason for people to get upset about it imo. However I was pissed they lost the coin flip and that lasted about a minute
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No need to exaggerate.
They were 1-13 the final 14 games of the year this is tied with OKC for the worse record in the league.
Vent all you want about that one win but you don't need to invent or make up stuff.
That one win gave us a floor of 9 instead of a floor of 7 or 8
That one win lowered our chance at a top 4 pick by somewhere between 3-7%
The amount of over the top hyperbole is weak sauce. Overall, that one win was a negative for us, no denial there. The manner in which is ultimately affect out draft outcome is still unknown, but the impact it had to our various odds is not equal to the reaction hysterics by some.
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I believe that’s what he saying and what I said earlier....if our pick is not a top five pick the Cavs should package it and players to move up or to acquire a 1st next year and/or possibly a veteran wing player
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I think there is an argument, just from the per 100 numbers I see.
I'm not the biggest fan of his, for some of the reasons you mentioned......but there is an age penalty in this calculation and he is still fighting through it.
Total impact, adjusted impact, impact relative to his position and net impact are all median or better for Mitchell. He has a "clean" analytical profile and a lot of athletic tools. Once you get around 10, I tend to gravitate towards players like him vs. guys like Johnson or Williams.
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Regardless of whether you're Garland stan, Sexton stan, a team without both stan or a team with them stan, the one thing the Cavs need more than anything else is shooting... There isn't a player on the current roster that is a consistent, reliable 3-PT shooter...
- Osman is streaky and might be off the roster
- Windler hasn't been able to stay healthy and was on and off when healthy
- Love can't stay healthy
- Wade actually showed some decent range but not sure if he's a long-term piece or rotational player
- Prince was solid but may be off the roster by next year
A fan of the current roster construction or not, this team point blank needs shooting... That's why, despite liking the tools, would be concerned about drafting Barnes and am not really a fan of Kuminga (outside of his scouting reports just not sounding like a player you want to invest a top-5 pick in)...
I think if the Cavs can nab Mobley, Green, Cade or Suggs it's a home run, but outside of that, I'm looking at Moody, Kispert and maybe Johnson and Wagner as guys to consider if they land outside the top-5...
I think the Ringer typically has good player comparisons, so I thought some of these were pretty astute:
Cade: Supersized SGA, Ben Simmons with a jumper
Mobley: Bosh, Christian Wood
Suggs: Brandon Roy, Chauncey Billups, Jamal Murray
Green: Zach LaVine, Bradley Beal, Malik Monk
Kuminga: Danny Granger, Luol Deng, Jeff Green
Wagner: Lamar Odom, Gallinari, Xavier Tillman
Sengun: Vucevic, Kanter, Sabonis
Barnes: Draymond, Siakam, taller and bulkier Michael Carter Williams
Jalen Johnson: Aaron Gordon, Rudy Gay, bigger RJ Barrett
Kispert: Bojan Bogdanovic, Joe Harris, Gary Trent JR
Giddey: Joe Ingles, Kyle Anderson, Evan Turner
Moody: Mikal Bridges, Morris Peterson (!), OG Anunboy
Which one of those comps are you taking on this team?
- Osman is streaky and might be off the roster
- Windler hasn't been able to stay healthy and was on and off when healthy
- Love can't stay healthy
- Wade actually showed some decent range but not sure if he's a long-term piece or rotational player
- Prince was solid but may be off the roster by next year
A fan of the current roster construction or not, this team point blank needs shooting... That's why, despite liking the tools, would be concerned about drafting Barnes and am not really a fan of Kuminga (outside of his scouting reports just not sounding like a player you want to invest a top-5 pick in)...
I think if the Cavs can nab Mobley, Green, Cade or Suggs it's a home run, but outside of that, I'm looking at Moody, Kispert and maybe Johnson and Wagner as guys to consider if they land outside the top-5...
I think the Ringer typically has good player comparisons, so I thought some of these were pretty astute:
Cade: Supersized SGA, Ben Simmons with a jumper
Mobley: Bosh, Christian Wood
Suggs: Brandon Roy, Chauncey Billups, Jamal Murray
Green: Zach LaVine, Bradley Beal, Malik Monk
Kuminga: Danny Granger, Luol Deng, Jeff Green
Wagner: Lamar Odom, Gallinari, Xavier Tillman
Sengun: Vucevic, Kanter, Sabonis
Barnes: Draymond, Siakam, taller and bulkier Michael Carter Williams
Jalen Johnson: Aaron Gordon, Rudy Gay, bigger RJ Barrett
Kispert: Bojan Bogdanovic, Joe Harris, Gary Trent JR
Giddey: Joe Ingles, Kyle Anderson, Evan Turner
Moody: Mikal Bridges, Morris Peterson (!), OG Anunboy
Which one of those comps are you taking on this team?
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There are a lot of guys I like on this list.......the one concern I have, relative to our front office, is, are they willing to adjust course slightly? If we have a consensus BPA on the board? I.e.
1. Would we let Allen walk? This one applies specifically to Barnes.....would we let Allen walk, so we could slot Barnes as a Ben Simmons like 4 and then find shooting at the 5?
2. Would we trade Sexton? This one applies specifically to Suggs .....if Garland is viewed as the future, would we move Collin for assets for a 3 or 4 and then draft Suggs? Who is a great match alongside him?
If the answer is no, I think the trickle down effect would be these are the players that I like that "fit" our roster:
Cade, Mobley, Wagner, Sengun.
Green still kind of falls in the "would we really not draft someone that talented"?! bucket.
But with the 4 listed above, I think they have profiles that really compliment the current talent on our roster and also provide needed skills we lack.
The tough thing about that is getting caught in no man's land on the draft board. I guess you can just take Sengun 4......but is our FO skilled enough to navigate a draft where we might land in an area where value can be extracted but it involves some tricky calculus on value? I don't know.
Probably one of the reasons I'm hoping we land a top 3 pick.......where we either land 1 of Mobley, Cade, Green or are offered a package that can't be turned down.
Here's my opinions on that list I bolded the ones I agree with as best case scenarios and added some as well especially if I didn't see my comp:
Cade: Supersized SGA, Ben Simmons with a jumper- Luka lite
Mobley: Bosh, Christian Wood -Jaren Jackson jr
Suggs: Brandon Roy, Chauncey Billups, -Jamal Murray & Ja Morant
Green: Zach LaVine, Bradley Beal, Malik Monk -Kevin Porter Jr. or small Kobe
Kuminga: Danny Granger, Luol Deng, Jeff Green - Kawhi Leonard best case or worst case O.G. Anunoby that can pass
Wagner: Lamar Odom, Gallinari, Xavier Tillman- Poor man's Hedo or best case Hayward lite
Sengun: Vucevic, Kanter,- Sabonis or more athletic Joker
Barnes: Draymond, Siakam, taller and bulkier Michael Carter Williams -Simmons lite
Jalen Johnson: Aaron Gordon, Rudy Gay, bigger RJ Barrett- Lonzo Ball on the wing with a dash of Miles Bridges
Kispert: Bojan Bogdanovic, Joe Harris, Gary Trent JR -more athletic Korver with a handle
Giddey: Joe Ingles, Kyle Anderson, Evan Turner- Lamelo Ball with a worse shot
Moody: Mikal Bridges, Morris Peterson (!), OG Anunboy- Vassell or poor mans J.R.Smith
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I like this and completely understand this player comp language.
I'm going to answer your question using the Ringer comps
3 picks I would make to compliment the current roster (not BPA):
1. Mobley
2. Cade
3. Wagner
3 picks I would make BPA knowing I would need to make moves before the season (BPA):
1. Mobley
2. Green
3. Barnes
3 picks I would make if we are 6-8 after lottery:
1. Barnes
2. Wagner
3. Kispert
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