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What Resolves First?

  • Collin Sexton's Restricted Free Agency

    Votes: 19 38.8%

  • Baker Mayfield's Tenure with the Browns

    Votes: 30 61.2%
  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
buzzdog said:
You seem to want too make it an either/or proposition between Allen and Hartenstein. We can easily afford to keep both, and between them they offer diverse skill sets which is a good thing.

Letting the market set the price on an RFA instead of bidding against yourself is "playing with fire"? LOL. The team still has control of an RFA and can match or not match any offer.
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The playing with fire reference meant they would not be showing commitment to their top player. If you low ball them in negotiations and "make" them prove their worth on the market. It is the easiest way to create a unhappy unappreciated player. The way I see it, if you are willing to match any offer anyway, then just give them the damn $. If you are not, then trade them.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
I agree...although I think part of the answer to "why trade Sexton" in this particular trade proposal is that it also enables us to get rid of Love. Still wouldn't do it, though.
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If CJ was three years younger I would do it in a heartbeat. CJ is a much better shooter than Sexton, knows how to play off the ball better, rebounds better and I believe his defense is underrated. However at his current age (29).....NO I wouldn’t sniff at that trade
 
inliner311 said:
With the teams that have already gotten bounced from the playoffs, I think the market for Love could heat up. I'm not saying we will get an good asset for him but someone might come along and be willing to take him while giving expirings.
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Love will be moved or bought this summer (BOOK IT)
 
Ohioplayer00 said:
Love will be moved or bought this summer (BOOK IT)
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If he isn't moved, I think they bring him back. I don't think a buy out is on the table unless we draft a PF.

I do think certain teams will get desperate and with little to no assets, start debating if it's worth it to bring in Love.
 
Ohioplayer00 said:
If CJ was three years younger I would do it in a heartbeat. CJ is a much better shooter than Sexton, knows how to play off the ball better, rebounds better and I believe his defense is underrated. However at his current age (29).....NO I wouldn’t sniff at that trade
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He is not clutch at all never has been. These kinds of trades that force the Cavs to be hemorrhaging value to move Love are not realistic. Does not matter at all who is coming back, that player is nothing more than salary matching anyway, in any Love deal.
Sexton would not be offered as value to move Love any sooner than Luka would be to move KP.
 
Ozone said:
He is not clutch at all never has been. These kinds of trades that force the Cavs to be hemorrhaging value to move Love are not realistic. Does not matter at all who is coming back, that player is nothing more than salary matching anyway, in any Love deal.
Sexton would not be offered as value to move Love any sooner than Luka would be to move KP.
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Now comparing Sexton to Luka? Cmon man.
 
buzzdog said:
I think you seriously undervalue Allen, for whatever reason. It seems like most NBA observers and player evaluators would disagree with you.
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And,most NBA observers are wrong.

These are the same people that said Sexton will never improve his shooting when he came into the league.

Hell,they were comparing Ayton to Embiid and was wrong about that.


Unless,you're telling me Allen is going to be in the Defensive of the Year discussion almost every year,no way you give him that much money,especially when he doesn't have range offensively. He better be Rudy Gobert times four.

buzzdog said:
Like Q-Tip said, the point of that would be to move off of Love and to do that you have to give up something of value, which would be Sexton. But IMO why trade Sexton only to get back a similar player in CJ? The only way I consider moving off of Sexton is if the FO goes all in on Garland, and they want more length/defense at the other guard position, and if they're working towards better "fit" over the entire roster.

As for my own personal preference I'd rather see us try to keep both Garland and Sexton, and then work on making the rest of the roster more focused on 3&D type players so both Sexton and Garland can thrive. But I am usually guilty succumbing to a type of inertia, and I tend towards wanting to give players already on the roster a chance to develop and figure things out together.

If the front office or other fans want to make radical changes I certainly understand that there can be solid logic behind those choices as well.
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If,Sexton was on the Blazers in Game 5,they would have won it. Nobody gave Dame nothing in that game and you see the result of it. McCollum is a nice player but he rarely shows up when you need him. Does this team really need a player like that,especially when Sexton is the team's closer...I've never thought McCollum could be that guy.


Ozone said:
Pretty much echoes my point that you responded too and is my feeling as well, but I know how these front office's think, and letting both of them bet on themselves is not out of the question. But yeah, no sense in paying somebody that is not consistent vs. someone who is.
I'd take less issue with maxing Sexton, than Allen, even though neither should likely get the full if they did go to the free agent market. So the negotiations should be interesting.
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I rather have Sexton gets the max than Allen but he probably won't get it. With that said,I think Sexton should be the one close to it between the two.
 
Ohioplayer00 said:
Love will be moved or bought this summer (BOOK IT)
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Buying Love out at this stage --with two full years left -- is impossible because the amount you pay in a buyout counts under the cap for the current year. We don't have nearly enough cap space to do that even if he was willing to give up $20M. And moving him would require giving up assets.

A buyout becomes more feasible as the season progresses, but we'd still have to move other pieces/parts to do it because we'd essentially be moving his 2022-23 salary to this coming season.
 
Ozone said:
He is not clutch at all never has been. These kinds of trades that force the Cavs to be hemorrhaging value to move Love are not realistic. Does not matter at all who is coming back, that player is nothing more than salary matching anyway, in any Love deal.
Sexton would not be offered as value to move Love any sooner than Luka would be to move KP.
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Not clutch at all???? OMG!!! Do even watch basketball? The backcourt of Lillard and CJ has carried that Blazer team for years and if you watched them played at all you would know just how clutch he has been! More than Lillard? No! But CJ has been a consistent mainstay and cornerstone of that team. Again if he were three years younger I would take him straight up over Sexton. People over value Sexton because he’s the only good player we have on this team.
 
Ohioplayer00 said:
Not clutch at all???? OMG!!! Do even watch basketball? The backcourt of Lillard and CJ has carried that Blazer team for years and if you watched them played at all you would know just how clutch he has been! More than Lillard? No! But CJ has been a consistent mainstay and cornerstone of that team. Again if he were three years younger I would take him straight up over Sexton. People over value Sexton because he’s the only good player we have on this team.
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I think it a moot point to spend time thinking of a McCollum trade to the Cavs. Sexton doesn't solve anything of their problems and we lack exactly what they lack, scoring wings.

I think it's more realistic for them to trade some of their other players to get some assets to eventually move McCollum with assets for an upgrade. A multi team trade where they trade away Covington and Nurkic for assets and expirings, then swap those expiring to us for Love could be possible.
 
ansatsusha80 said:
And,most NBA observers are wrong.

These are the same people that said Sexton will never improve his shooting when he came into the league.

Hell,they were comparing Ayton to Embiid and was wrong about that.


Unless,you're telling me Allen is going to be in the Defensive of the Year discussion almost every year,no way you give him that much money,especially when he doesn't have range offensively. He better be Rudy Gobert times four.



If,Sexton was on the Blazers in Game 5,they would have won it. Nobody gave Dame nothing in that game and you see the result of it. McCollum is a nice player but he rarely shows up when you need him. Does this team really need a player like that,especially when Sexton is the team's closer...I've never thought McCollum could be that guy.




I rather have Sexton gets the max than Allen but he probably won't get it. With that said,I think Sexton should be the one close to it between the two.
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Here's what I don't get about trying to trade for McCollum.

First, If people consider Dame and McCollum too short to pair together, wouldn't that still ring true with garland and McCollum?

Second, If We are ok with having a small backcourt with McCollum why not keep Sexton who's much younger?

Third, Why do we assume McCollum won't demand the max when he's here?
 
Ok I think if CJ had his own show he’s 27-32 a night ppg…

However, you are NOWHERE near a championship caliber team with Dame/CJ/Sexton/Garland in any capacity unless there’s a player on your team better/taller/more versatile than any of them….

So what does it matter ?
 
WorldFreeB said:
Now comparing Sexton to Luka? Cmon man.
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you get the point I meant though right? The cavs are not trading their best player, or one of them, if you don't think that is Sexton, even though it is, just to move an injury prone one, any sooner than the Mavs would give up a top 5 player in the league, to do it. The Cavs don't have the luxury of being able to give up solid young players to rid themselves of bad contracts and expect any value coming back. Fans thinking it would be ok to trade Sexton to get rid of Love especially for this kind of lame return, are not thinking clearly.
Do you think it would be fair to throw Garland in as incentive to take Love? No you wouldn't.
 
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