Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Ozone]

Not clutch at all???? OMG!!! Do even watch basketball? The backcourt of Lillard and CJ has carried that Blazer team for years and if you watched them played at all you would know just how clutch he has been! More than Lillard? No! But CJ has been a consistent mainstay and cornerstone of that team. Again if he were three years younger I would take him straight up over Sexton. People over value Sexton because he’s the only good player we have on this team.

 

[Lee]

Bleacher Repor

Bleacher Report is proposing a CJ McCollum and Derrick Jones trade for love , sexton and a 2022 second round
Thoughts?

Yes from a Cleveland stand point, not sure why Portland does it.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Here's what I don't get about trying to trade for McCollum.

First, If people consider Dame and McCollum too short to pair together, wouldn't that still ring true with garland and McCollum?

Second, If We are ok with having a small backcourt with McCollum why not keep Sexton who's much younger?

Third, Why do we assume McCollum won't demand the max when he's here?

Because our backcourt is nowhere as effective and efficient as they are. And that was Koby’s thinking in drafting back to back small guards.....”If Portland can do it so can we”! WRONG!!!!!

 

[foucault87]

This McCollum deal feels like an underpayment. Wed have to attach a first to get off the love contract. Maybe two

 

[Ozone]

Because our backcourt is nowhere as effective and efficient as they are. And that was Koby’s thinking in drafting back to back small guards.....”If Portland can do it so can we”! WRONG!!!!!

This is a really bad take. I honestly question if you are just trolling on here.
You're idea of why they drafted Garland is off base. There are a ton of small back courts that work in a vacuum.
I don't think the Portland back court, is or was a good model, for Garland, who is nothing like Dame as a scorer.
The biggest failure we have seen in CLE, is defensively, and Garlands lack of scoring.
If you really could justify trading for CJ who is too old, which this org will never have interest in as a result, to pair with either current guard , you would have to move Sexton to the point, and let him continue to hunt shots like Dame does, or Garland would have to prove to be a lot better scorer than he has.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

This McCollum deal feels like an underpayment. Wed have to attach a first to get off the love contract. Maybe two

I'm not sure it makes sense for either side.

 

[Lee]

This is a really bad take. I honestly question if you are just trolling on here.
You're idea of why they drafted Garland is off base. There are a ton of small back courts that work in a vacuum.
I don't think the Portland back court, is or was a good model, for Garland, who is nothing like Dame as a scorer.
The biggest failure we have seen in CLE, is defensively, and Garlands lack of scoring.
If you really could justify trading for CJ who is too old, which this org will never have interest in as a result, to pair with either current guard , you would have to move Sexton to the point, and let him continue to hunt shots like Dame does, or Garland would have to prove to be a lot better scorer than he has.

I am not advocating for a small backcourt but in what world isnt Garland a scorer. Did he not just average 17.4 has a 20 year old 2nd year player after playing 9 games in college and half a season or so as a rookie?

Did he not just have 45/40/85 splits on that 17.4 scoring?

For context, Dame scored 20.7 ...3 points more in his 2nd year but was 3 years older, on worse shooting at 43/37. So 2 more shots a game for Garland and he is there, and Steph who played 3 years of college and is a scorer averaged 18.6 points his 2nd year, only 1 point more.

In what world do you live in that 17.4 for a 2nd year player on actual efficient shooting numbers doesnt mean he is a scorer? Because he scored 12.3 last year? Players develop, and Garland is actually much more of a scorer than i ever thought when we drafted him.

Another one? Ja Morant scored 19.1 a game on 45/30/73....1.5 more points and far less efficient. He also had only 1 more assist a game than Garland?

Is Ja a scorer?

 

[Ozone]

I am not advocating for a small backcourt but in what world isnt Garland a scorer. Did he not just average 17.4 has a 20 year old 2nd year player after playing 9 games in college and half a season or so as a rookie?

Did he not just have 45/40/85 splits on that 17.4 scoring?

For context, Dame scored 20.7 ...3 points more in his 2nd year but was 3 years older, on worse shooting at 43/37. So 2 more shots a game for Garland and he is there, and Steph who played 3 years of college and is a scorer averaged 18.6 points his 2nd year, only 1 point more.

In what world do you live in that 17.4 for a 2nd year player on actual efficient shooting numbers doesnt mean he is a scorer? Because he scored 12.3 last year? Players develop, and Garland is actually much more of a scorer than i ever thought when we drafted him.

Another one? Ja Morant scored 19.1 a game on 45/30/73....1.5 more points and far less efficient. He also had only 1 more assist a game than Garland?

Is Ja a scorer?

Garland has developed well, I will give you that, but he is not what you are painting him to be here. He flashed the ability to score at higher volumes. But he has not done what was necessary to take it to a level that was needed to win. The pg has to close the gap, and produce, or be replaced, and my patience is thin even if yours is not.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Garland has developed well, I will give you that, but he is not what you are painting him to be here. He flashed the ability to score at higher volumes. But he has not done what was necessary to take it to a level that was needed to win. The pg has to close the gap, and produce, or be replaced, and my patience is thin even if yours is not.

You do realize he'd have just finished his junior in college at this point had he stayed in, right?

Kind of early for patience to be running thin on a kid that young who everyone, including you, would agree has been improving consistently.

 

[Ozone]

You do realize he'd have just finished his junior in college at this point had he stayed in, right?

Kind of early for patience to be running thin on a kid that young who everyone, including you, would agree has been improving consistently.

I am growing impatient with losing, but yeah I understand the takes.
Example: I don't like that his 3 point attempts dropped 10% from his rookie season. I think he needs to
take those shots, to spread the floor more, as the lead guard.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

I really don’t advocate trading either of them. What I have said before is that if we are unable to get an athletic wing player (that can shoot and create his shot) we should look at upgrading either guard spot with somebody with size and scoring ability and send one of smurfs to the bench to strengthen the team’s depth there.

 

[Ozone]

I really don’t advocate trading either of them. What I have said before is that if we are unable to get an athletic wing player (that can shoot and create his shot) we should look at upgrading either guard spot with somebody with size and scoring ability and send one of smurfs to the bench to strengthen the team’s depth there.

That might happen in this draft. But it is not very common for any player taken in the top 10, that also has started for 3 seasons, or 2 seasons, to just be sent to the bench, without player remorse.
I mean I could see a scenario where they draft Green as the BPA, with the idea to play him as the lead guard not next to Garland.
He already is just as good, or better than Garland as a scorer, and needs the ball to be effective. They can just let him do like KPJ is doing in Houston.
Sexton and Okoro also have versatility on or off ball but Garland maybe doesn't.

 

[roozy]

That might happen in this draft. But it is not very common for any player taken in the top 10, that also has started for 3 seasons, or 2 seasons, to just be sent to the bench, without player remorse.
I mean I could see a scenario where they draft Green as the BPA, with the idea to play him as the lead guard not next to Garland.
He already is just as good, or better than Garland as a scorer, and needs the ball to be effective. They can just let him do like KPJ is doing in Houston.
Sexton and Okoro also have versatility on or off ball but Garland maybe doesn't.

I don't understand this, isn't Garland a 45% 3 point shooter off the catch? He's way more versatile than Okoro and Sexton due to elite shooting. The offense stinks and they should of used Garland more as weapon off the catch.

 

[Ozone]

I don't understand this, isn't Garland a 45% 3 point shooter off the catch? He's way more versatile than Okoro and Sexton due to elite shooting. The offense stinks and they should of used Garland more as weapon off the catch.

It concerns me that the % is based off of mostly wide open attempts, and not many are one's where he created off the dribble or anything. Certainly was not as a result of an efficient offense. It's just he was not being guarded, because his attempt rate is low. It is great he can knock those down in space, but he does not have any confidence in taking them otherwise, and that has to change imo. You can't just look at stats without putting into context.
imo elite is the wrong word to use with Garland, when it comes to shooting

 

[Nphan]

Just a small from an article about what NBA Excs think of Sexton.

An NBA executive suggested the Cavs could consider [trading Sexton] because it’s a salary cap crusher to pay Allen and Sexton both long-term contracts over $100 million. This guy likes Sexton as a player, but not on a maximum contract. As I wrote last weekend, Sexton may want something like the five-year, $163 million deal Sacramento gave guard De’Aaron Fox in 2020.

Sexton averaged 24.3 points and 4.4 assists a game, and shot 37.1% from 3. He improved and is an above-average NBA guard who knows how to score but dominates the ball and isn’t a favorite of teammates for that reason. He also struggles on the defensive end. Around the league, Sexton is seen as a good scorer but not the franchise cornerstone kind of player Fox is for Sacramento

If we get a top 3 pick, it's probably best to trade Sexton. Hopefully the Cavs are able to draft Jalen Green. I think he will end up the best player from this draft.