Nothing against what you said Criznit as I don't disagree with the Rosario value and why I put him below Mercado in our options. Yet, my point is how BAD our options are and having a guy who hit .200 in April and so far in July (small sample) but .300 in May/June is not our worse option.
Yet, what I do have an issue with his squinting our eyes and saying an almost washed up prospect who has had a hot end of June and July is a better option. We got to wait and see on Benson and even Mercado as a hot few weeks is like saying Rosario is a star in May and June.
We NEED a true full-time CF for next year. Mercado may be that but it is way to soon to pencil him in. Johnson having a few spring training games where he is the "best" person out there is a joke to count on him after a disastrous 2020 so far. Benson and Palacios are good options in mid-summer after option 1A/1B fail but they are still in AA for a reason (after 2 years off for Palacios and years of struggles for Benson). What I read into Bimbo notes on Benson is he is just putting years of BP instruction into game situation and (per me) needs to be groomed (less stress) to maintain his current muscle memory into games. Worse thing for him is put him in CF in April under bright lights where he presses and goes back to bad habits, like he has continually done in the past. After these options who do we have? Jack squat!!! Zimmer should be tossed to the side of road.
This is where we differ. I rather have Rosario just as an adequate place holder if he works on CF this fall (more than the joke of 2-3 weeks of spring training and thus why he failed so badly in the field) than our other options other then Mercado (if he keeps up his hot streak). Rosario is at least a .250 middle of road/streaky option. And, if finding a CF for prospect was so easy ... we would be hearing rumors last year or this year other than DeShields (Yahoo!!!!.... sarcasm).
Rosario has some trade value but save it to put into a bigger package for CF prospect (for a team in need of just a bat/help for injury) than just jettison for prospects out of desperation. Trades are hard. Sometimes the team in need that has what you need (CF prospect) wants that replacement MLB bat. Why trade it away too soon for prospects you don't need ASAP. Rosario value now and/or in Oct won't be that far different (about 16 on trade value chart -- Adell for comparison is in 40s). Be patient as filling CF need is bigger issue than having more prospects 2-4 years out.
I disagreeMe thinks that many folks are way underestimating Amed Rosario.
Me thinks that many folks are way underestimating Amed Rosario.
I disagree, would you care to elaborate?Me thinks that many folks are way underestimating Amed Rosario.
Sure.I disagree, would you care to elaborate?
Sure.
People over look the fact that Amed is still pretty young.
We get excited if Bradley or Mercado or Harold have a good week or month. The get bugged eyed when Johnson and Miller go on a tear in the minors..Amed is younger than Mercado and Harold, and the same age as Bradley, Johnson, and Clement...only a year older than Miller.
We go gaga over Zimmers and Mercados speed, although Amed is faster.
We shrug when it's pointed out that Amed was playing regularly in NY probably two years early. But if he had spent those two years in Columbus, we would be insisting that he was a core player. In addition, he has been screwed with defensively by the Indians.
Amed uses the entire field, hitting the ball the other way as much as he pulls it. In spite of his all fields approach, his hard hit % is higher by far than it has ever been.
And he is the epitome of a player who fits the Tribe culture. Tito and the FO hold him in high regard.
Not if he's a career .700 at that point.The question is, is he apart of this team past 23? He will be a free in 24 and in 22, he will be one of our top paid players on the roster... Can we merit that for a non-catcher position hitting a career .700 ops?
Not if he's a career .700 at that point.
what fans think about zimmer or mercado or anyone else has nothing to do with rosario's abilities or results - he's pushing 2000 major league at bats - he's a below average hitter - below average power - below average glove - his upside at this point looks to be a likable JAGSure.
People over look the fact that Amed is still pretty young.
We get excited if Bradley or Mercado or Harold have a good week or month. The get bugged eyed when Johnson and Miller go on a tear in the minors..Amed is younger than Mercado and Harold, and the same age as Bradley, Johnson, and Clement...only a year older than Miller.
We go gaga over Zimmers and Mercados speed, although Amed is faster.
We shrug when it's pointed out that Amed was playing regularly in NY probably two years early. But if he had spent those two years in Columbus, we would be insisting that he was a core player. In addition, he has been screwed with defensively by the Indians.
Amed uses the entire field, hitting the ball the other way as much as he pulls it. In spite of his all fields approach, his hard hit % is higher by far than it has ever been.
And he is the epitome of a player who fits the Tribe culture. Tito and the FO hold him in high regard.
I can't say I agree or disagree with you at this time Buck. The speed and athleticism of Amed influences a game for sure, and while he doesn't rate very well defensively I don't think he's losing games with his defense either. The low OPS and OPS+ catch my eye for sure, but this team needs Amed on the bases. I'm more concerned with his OBP than any other stat. That's where Amed's value lies IMO.what fans think about zimmer or mercado or anyone else has nothing to do with rosario's abilities or results - he's pushing 2000 major league at bats - he's a below average hitter - below average power - below average glove - his upside at this point looks to be a likable JAG
Yeah, below average overall, but he won't be 26 until November. He's not a finished product, IMO. Cats44 made a great point - he's the same age as Bradley yet he has nearly 2,000 at-bats.what fans think about zimmer or mercado or anyone else has nothing to do with rosario's abilities or results - he's pushing 2000 major league at bats - he's a below average hitter - below average power - below average glove - his upside at this point looks to be a likable JAG
Amed is a stopgap in 1 role (SS in 2021). After this year I do not see him at SS again with CLE with all the other SS options (Gimenez/ Arias/ Freeman/ etc)..I personally have no qualms keeping Amed nor trading him either. I just don't know where he stands long term within this organization. If he is a stopgap, I think we could trade him when/if the offer is what we want...
Amed is a stopgap in 1 role (SS in 2021). After this year I do not see him at SS again with CLE with all the other SS options (Gimenez/ Arias/ Freeman/ etc)..
The question moving forward becomes is he a long term answer (for 3 yrs plus) in the OF (mainly CF) or a stopgap out there until other options take their place in the CLE OF picture.
Personally I am willing to trade/ release a number of people on the CLE roster but Amed is someone I would keep holding onto now & revisit how things are at this point in 2022/ 2023..