Trade ideas: Offseason edition

Ohioplayer00 said:

Westbrook to the Lakers!

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Lebron’s last rodeo.

With Westbrook gone Beal is definitely headed out of DC

Warriors got Kuminga and Moody. Wish we could work out a trade with them.

wildfan said:

Warriors got Kuminga and Moody. Wish we could work out a trade with them.

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Sexton/Allen/Love for Wiseman/Kuminga/Wiggins.

Lyuokdea said:

Sexton/Allen/Love for Wiseman/Kuminga/Wiggins.

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Seriously, why would anyone take Love off our hands? The Cavs are just going to have to buy him out and get rid of him before his shitty attitude screws with the new guys.

wildfan said:

Warriors got Kuminga and Moody. Wish we could work out a trade with them.

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Bob Myers did the smart thing and took the BPA on the board, rather than trying to fill an immediate need. I give Golden State an A for their draft. They'll fill holes in free agency.

sailfish said:

Bob Myers did the smart thing and took the BPA on the board, rather than trying to fill an immediate need. I give Golden State an A for their draft. They'll fill holes in free agency.

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I don't think Kuminga was BPA. Getting Moody at 14 was steal of the draft though. I thought he should have gone to OKC at 6 or GS at 7. Kuminga has a ton of upside but he was terrible in the GLeague. I've never been a fan of drafting a athletic project who has no stand out skills besides athleticism.

NMCav said:

I don't think Kuminga was BPA. Getting Moody at 14 was steal of the draft though. I thought he should have gone to OKC at 6 or GS at 7. Kuminga has a ton of upside but he was terrible in the GLeague. I've never been a fan of drafting a athletic project who has no stand out skills besides athleticism.

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Respectfully disagree. Kuminga was playing in the G-league as an 18 year old, where he was far from ‘terrible,’ and is one of the youngest players in the draft. The kid has immense upside, but he’s further from his ceiling than most guys. The draft is all about getting guys with the highest ceiling and, in that regard, Kuminga was a great pick.

sailfish said:

Respectfully disagree. Kuminga was playing in the G-league as an 18 year old, where he was far from ‘terrible,’ and is one of the youngest players in the draft. The kid has immense upside, but he’s further from his ceiling than most guys. The draft is all about getting guys with the highest ceiling and, in that regard, Kuminga was a great pick.

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Yes take the highest ceiling. How did that work out for Suns and Josh Jackson? Or Pistons with Stanley Johnson? Lots of guys who are athletes and not basketball players fail. When your only calling card is athletic ability it's not a good sign. He showed nothing the the GLeague. Use what ever excuse you want. He was terrible both offensively and defensively. Argue it's the upside pick all you want. There is no upside in a player who isn't skilled and has bad basketball instincts.

Koby just strengthened our front court and landed us a much needed vet, back-up, tallish PG. Those moves plus natural development of Sexton, Garland and Okoro should certainly make us a better team in 2021.

But, we still have a glaring weakness at SF.

How do you think Koby is going to address that?

WorldBExpensive said:

Koby just strengthened our front court and landed us a much needed vet, back-up, tallish PG. Those moves plus natural development of Sexton, Garland and Okoro should certainly make us a better team in 2021.

But, we still have a glaring weakness at SF.

How do you think Koby is going to address that?

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I think he's going to use this season to see how Okoro looks handling the position. If he concludes that Okoro doesn't, then that likely will lead to: 1) moving Okoro to SG, and 2) making SF our free agent priority when our salary cap clears after next season.

In other words, I don't think filling that position long term with someone currently not on the roster is actually on the table for this season.

NMCav said:

Yes take the highest ceiling. How did that work out for Suns and Josh Jackson? Or Pistons with Stanley Johnson? Lots of guys who are athletes and not basketball players fail. When your only calling card is athletic ability it's not a good sign. He showed nothing the the GLeague. Use what ever excuse you want. He was terrible both offensively and defensively. Argue it's the upside pick all you want. There is no upside in a player who isn't skilled and has bad basketball instincts.

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That's such an incredibly weak take. You just went back and looked up two guys who were top 10 picks as small forwards who were disappointments, in an effort to support your argument. For every guy you list, I can find a guy who did make it...Tracy McGrady, Zach LaVine, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Giannis, Patrick Williams & Isaac Okoro (both look like they'll make it)...the list goes on.

Every year there are guys who hit and there are guys that miss. That's the draft. The risk has become magnified as prospects have gotten younger & younger. Kuminga re-classified from the class of 2021 to 2020, so he's a year younger than many of these guys.

If you want to play it safe, then pick a guy like Chris Duarte, COrey Kispert, or Davion Mitchell every year and you never take a big chance. That's what Wayne Embry used to do when he was Cavs GM. He hated taking underclassmen and the risk that came along with it.

You're either a GM who plays it safe, takes the guy with a lower ceiling, or you accept the risk and take a guy with a higher ceiling, hoping you can develop him. That's what the Warriors have done with Kuminga. Only time will tell if he hits or not, but you can't write him off because Josh Jackson & Stanley Johnson didn't make it. That's ridiculous...

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That's such an incredibly weak take. You just went back and looked up two guys who were top 10 picks as small forwards who were disappointments. For every guy you list, I can find a guy who did make it...Tracy McGrady, Zach LaVine, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Giannis...the list goes on.

Every year there are guys who hit and there are guys that miss. That's the draft. If you want to play it safe, then pick a guy like Chris Duarte, COrey Kispert, or Davion Mitchell every year and you never take a big chance. That's what Wayne Embry used to do when he was Cavs GM. He hated taking underclassmen and the risk that came along with it.

You're either a GM who plays it safe or you accept the risk and take a guy with a higher ceiling, hoping you can develop him. That's what the Warriors have done with Kuminga. Only time will tell if he hits or not, but you can't right him off because Josh Jackson & Stanley Johnson didn't make it. That's ridiculous...

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I didn't look it up. Those 2 popped into my head first. And Tatum was not raw at all coming out of Duke. Tatum does not belong with the rest you listed. For every hit there are multiple misses. I don't see the upside. The guys you listed showed something. Kuminga literally showed us nothing in the GLeague. He's a shittier version of Wiggins as a prospect. He's not as athletic as Wiggins and is somehow worse as a shooter.

As for safe picks you listed I don't think Mitchell is a safe pick at all. I think he's going to flop forthe Kings. Kings basically took someone whos peak is Pat Beverly in the top 10 but likely won't even be Pat Bev.

As for risk vs reward with drafting. Sometimes there is a player with a Higher Floor and similar ceiling in this case (Moses Moody, Bouknight, Franz Wagner) all have similar ceilings to Kuminga but also have vastly higher floors.

The Human Q-Tip said:

I think he's going to use this season to see how Okoro looks handling the position. If he concludes that Okoro doesn't, then that likely will lead to: 1) moving Okoro to SG, and 2) making SF our free agent priority when our salary cap clears after next season.

In other words, I don't think filling that position long term with someone currently not on the roster is actually on the table for this season.

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I think you may be right about that. It's kind of a patient, long term play. It will probably cost us a lot of wins this coming year though.

Unless Sexton can really increase his 3 point frequency and maintain his 3pt % our floor spacing is going to be really bad and teams are going to just pack the paint against us.

Somewhere we are going to need to get consistent 3pt shooting or our spacing is going to be a huge problem since I don't think we can rely on Mobley, Allen or Okoro to space the floor for us. It's really going to come down to Sexton and Garland being able to take a lot of 3's and hit them at a good rate.

Kuminga's gonna be someone that this board never lets go of isn't he...