Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

He was awesome for three quarters playing within the flow of the game, and then everything went to shit when Rubio turned into a pumpkin.

He has played two good games so far. HE is forcing it way less than in preseason and seems to be playing in the flow of the offense. Looks in rhythm.

I'm liking what I'm seeing.

They brought in Rubio to be the second PG.

They still have to find a 3rd capable person who can run the offense.

It SHOULD be Sexton but I dunno if he's got it in him. But last night was a good example.

When Rubio shit the bed and with Garland out, they turned to Sexton. There's no one else.

And he's just in no way comfortable being the PG even for tiny stretches.

Needs to learn because right now he isn't a combo guard. He's an undersized shooting guard and that's gonna limit his ceiling.

He's not gonna grow 4 inches so this is what he can work on.

In a pinch, like last might, they need him to be a PG for small increments.

bleedwineandgold03 said:

I rather have sexton than garland yea I said it.

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Imagine if we had drafted Reddish, rather than Garland, how different this roster would look:

PG- Sexton
SG- Okoro
SF- Reddish
PF- Mobley
C- Allen

I think the lesson learned is you always take players, with length & skill, over a 6'2" & under guard, unless that guard is a dynamic, game-changing athlete, like a Westbrook or Morant, who makes players around him better. As much as we may like Garland, he isn't that.

sailfish said:

Imagine if we had drafted Reddish, rather than Garland, how different this roster would look:

PG- Sexton
SG- Okoro
SF- Reddish
PF- Mobley
C- Allen

I think the lesson learned is you always take players, with length & skill, over a 6'2" & under guard, unless that guard is a dynamic, game-changing athlete, like a Westbrook or Morant, who makes players around him better. As much as we may like Garland, he isn't that.

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That looks horrendous.

Derek said:

That looks horrendous.

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It's certainly better than what we have now. If you haven't noticed, the game has become wing-dominant and the Cavs have very few, if any, wings that can play that way. It's gonna be a long year.

sailfish said:

It's certainly better than what we have now. If you haven't noticed, the game has become wing-dominant and the Cavs have very few, if any, wings that can play that way. It's gonna be a long year.

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It’s not.

We definitely need wings, but we can’t have lineups without a PG.

Derek said:

It’s not.

We definitely need wings, but we can’t have lineups without a PG.

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The game is becoming increasingly position-less, dominated by skilled players in the 6'6"-6'9" range. The Cavs have only Okoro who can play like that. if you can't see that, there's no point in continuing this discussion…

sailfish said:

The game is becoming increasingly position-less, dominated by players in the 6'6"-6'9" range. if you can't see that, there's no point in having a discussion with you then, as you, clearly, have no idea what you're talking about.

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I said we need wings, but we can’t have lineups without a PG!

A Sexton/Okoro backcourt would be a train wreck!

How would we be if we had Haliburton instead of Okoro?

Jake said:

How would we be if we had Haliburton instead of Okoro?

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Well, it's been reported that Haliburton's agent told teams to pass on him and held him out of workouts, so he could fall to Sacramento. That said, I don't know that he ever worked out for the Cavs or showed any interest in playing here. I don't know that the Cavs would've drafted him sight unseen.

I still think Okoro not panning out is the fly in the ointment here. They absolutely could not afford to take a 6'-5" guy on his tip toes with no offensive skill in the lottery even in a terrible draft. I seriously wonder if they even measured him. Haliburton and Saddiq Bey were picked later but both would've fit here like a glove. They can't keep passing on SGA or Haliburton types just because they don't want to play here. Another example too of agents having too much power and Altman just being a poor GM. I can understand vets deciding to play elsewhere but rooks coming into the league shouldn't have that much say so.

Signing Pangos as a 3rd PG might be another issue. I don't see how they can even consider trading Rubio if Pangos isn't an NBA caliber player.

Their hand is also being forced on Love. They absolutely need to find a way to give him his minutes with either Allen or Mobley on the floor. They cannot be throwing him out there with Lauri.

The lack of wings is obviously a huge, huge issue. They probably need at least 2 more to compete with most teams. They can grab one in the next draft but they might need to trade at least one of their prized young players such as Allen or Garland to acquire another one. This would obviously open up other holes but at least those spots are more easily fixable as free agency will usually have serviceable vets such at those positions ie. D.Rose, Rubio, Plumlee types. Teams lock up their wings so Cavs will likely need to draft or overpay for them thru a trade.

sailfish said:

Imagine if we had drafted Reddish, rather than Garland, how different this roster would look:

PG- Sexton
SG- Okoro
SF- Reddish
PF- Mobley
C- Allen

I think the lesson learned is you always take players, with length & skill, over a 6'2" & under guard, unless that guard is a dynamic, game-changing athlete, like a Westbrook or Morant, who makes players around him better. As much as we may like Garland, he isn't that.

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That team would be all kinds of awful.

sailfish said:

Imagine if we had drafted Reddish, rather than Garland, how different this roster would look:

PG- Sexton
SG- Okoro
SF- Reddish
PF- Mobley
C- Allen

I think the lesson learned is you always take players, with length & skill, over a 6'2" & under guard, unless that guard is a dynamic, game-changing athlete, like a Westbrook or Morant, who makes players around him better. As much as we may like Garland, he isn't that.

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They would've drafted Haliburton over Okoro (I would certainly hope) and then it would look good. Regardless it's all water under the bridge at this point. Koby needs to fix this mess and as I've been saying for the past year don't think he's up to the task. He is for the most part ok acquiring players in a vacuum but I have serious doubts if he can actually put a team together that actually fits.

daytripper said:

They would've drafted Haliburton over Okoro (I would certainly hope) and then it would look good. Regardless it's all water under the bridge at this point. Koby needs to fix this mess and as I've been saying for the past year don't think he's up to the task. He is for the most part ok acquiring players in a vacuum but I have serious doubts if he can actually put a team together that actually fits.

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Haliburton is similar to SGA, in that he wanted to play for a specific team, in his case Sacramento, and his agent helped get him there. It’s well known that the Cavs tend to target players who want to be here.

This roster is a cluster and is very devoid of talented wings. I believe Koby can recognize talent and he made a nice trade in getting Jarrett Allen. I don’t know if he can get us out of this mess, as he tends to over-value his own players.