Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[CavsKermit]

They would've drafted Haliburton over Okoro (I would certainly hope) and then it would look good. Regardless it's all water under the bridge at this point. Koby needs to fix this mess and as I've been saying for the past year don't think he's up to the task. He is for the most part ok acquiring players in a vacuum but I have serious doubts if he can actually put a team together that actually fits.

That team would also be awful. Look, if the Cavs were going to make Sexton a long term starter, the move was trading for Alonzo Ball last season, or maybe trading up to draft Cade. The list of guys who would be a good pairing with Sexton is really small due to Sexton's limitations. I'm glad he's trying harder defensively. I'm glad he's made an effort to play within the offense for 7 quarters. But people aren't being honest with themselves as far as what type of team needs to be constructed around him as *the guy* or how difficult it will be to construct such a team. He's a really good sixth man on most of the teams in the NBA.

 

[Derek]

Haliburton is another no-defense guard.

If you want to lament not picking anyone in that draft, it should be Devin Vassell (who isn’t really that great, but neither was that draft) but we can discuss that in a more appropriate thread than the Sexton discussion.

 

[daytripper]

Haliburton is similar to SGA, in that he wanted to play for a specific team, in his case Sacramento, and his agent helped get him there. It’s well known that the Cavs tend to target players who want to be here.

This roster is a cluster and is very devoid of talented wings. I believe Koby can recognize talent and he made a nice trade in getting Jarrett Allen. I don’t know if he can get us out of this mess.

Altman is a nightmare. He has no clue how to put together a roster. Since you are also a 15 year RFC member I'd recommend taking a glance at that forum.

I only watch the Kings in small doses but my understanding from their fans is that he's a good 2 way player.. Can't really debate it since I haven't watched enough of them although might have to do so this season.

 

[sailfish]

Altman is a nightmare. He has no clue how to put together a roster. Since you are also a 15 year RFC member I'd recommend taking a glance at that forum.

I only watch the Kings in small doses but my understanding from their fans is that he's a good 2 way player.. Can't really debate it since I haven't watched enough of them although might have to do so this season.

I like Koby and am not ready to give up on him yet. Koby is certainly better than Griffin & Grant, his two predecessors.

I believe the Cavs panicked when Hunter, who was their intended target in the 2019 draft, went one pick before us. The Cavs took Garland, who may have been the BPA, but he didn’t fit, and still doesn’t fit, with Sexton, who was picked just the year before. In hindsight, Koby should’ve either traded down for Reddish or moved one of the small guards by now. Instead, he’s held onto Sexton so long that his trade value is diminished by his upcoming contractual demands. Garland had a terrible rookie year and showed progress last year, but still seems awfully brittle.

 

[Futuredome]

I like Koby and am not ready to give up on him yet. Koby is certainly better than Griffin & Grant, his two predecessors.

I believe the Cavs panicked when Hunter, who was their intended target in the 2019 draft, went one pick before us. The Cavs took Garland, who may have been the BPA, but he didn’t fit, and still doesn’t fit, with Sexton, who was picked just the year before. In hindsight, Koby should’ve either traded down for Reddish or moved one of the small guards by now. Instead, he’s held onto Sexton so long that his trade value is diminished by his upcoming contractual demands. Garland had a terrible rookie year and showed progress last year, but still seems awfully brittle.

Beilein wanted a PG. Once Hunter was gone, Garland was BPA. A 6th man is a 6th man.

 

[Blazie]

I don't understand,why he doesn't get call in his favor as a fourth year player but players that's just entering the league get all the calls they want..

If half your fanbase doesn't respect you as a player, and your front office clearly doesn't respect you as a player, why should the refs respect you?

Especially if there's this odd national narrative that you're not a good teammate...

It's all very strange to me, tbh.

 

[daytripper]

Well Beilein had a huge say in that draft to run his 2 guard system but he's long gone.

With that said I don't think I can get into any more debates regarding Garland and Sexton. I really like both kids (yes they both have warts but they also have skills) and think it's a damn shame the fanbase is taking sides against them when in reality it's Altman who has failed here. The org hasn't gone to bat for Sexton even when the lies came out a few weeks ago about him being an a__hole. As a fan I can see that Collin really wants to win here so it pisses me off to see that crap being "reported". My personal belief is Koby is a huge "yes" man and weasel who needs to take some responsibility so it really irks me when a kid like Collin becomes the scapegoat. Any other GM in the league would've been fired if they had ignored the wing position the way Koby has the past 4 years.

 

[Ozone]

Early in the game, I was encouraged by the floor game Sexton was playing. Still within the flow of the offense, moving the ball, not overdribbling. Then he went into hero mode in the 4th and just sucked ass.

that hero ball was 1 possession after the team out there blew the lead with him resting

 

[Ozone]

That team would also be awful. Look, if the Cavs were going to make Sexton a long term starter, the move was trading for Alonzo Ball last season, or maybe trading up to draft Cade. The list of guys who would be a good pairing with Sexton is really small due to Sexton's limitations. I'm glad he's trying harder defensively. I'm glad he's made an effort to play within the offense for 7 quarters. But people aren't being honest with themselves as far as what type of team needs to be constructed around him as *the guy* or how difficult it will be to construct such a team. He's a really good sixth man on most of the teams in the NBA.

lol if only it was easy to find big pg's smh
the NBA is stacked with some now. The Cavs would have drafted Scottie Barnes if Mobley wasn't there. They could have traded Garland and 1 first for Barnes probably. They didn't and the fact they didn't pay Sexton what he wants and probably will prove he deserves means they completely agree with you they need to find a bigger pg to justify paying Sexton.
So Garland better show up and prove he was worth it

 

[CavsKermit]

lol if only it was easy to find big pg's smh
the NBA is stacked with some now. The Cavs would have drafted Scottie Barnes if Mobley wasn't there. They could have traded Garland and 1 first for Barnes probably. They didn't and the fact they didn't pay Sexton what he wants and probably will prove he deserves means they completely agree with you they need to find a bigger pg to justify paying Sexton.
So Garland better show up and prove he was worth it

So your solution is to pair him with a guy who, as of yet, hasn't demonstrated he can run an NBA offense, stretch the floor, or defend opposing PGs.

Got it.

 

[Ozone]

So your solution is to pair him with a guy who, as of yet, hasn't demonstrated he can run an NBA offense, stretch the floor, or defend opposing PGs.

Got it.

yep because he can run this easy offense proven in college and just beat the crap out of a team with 2 all star wings.
He is clearly what the Cavs needed at the 1. Stretching the floor is not something we are gaining by having Garland btw in case you hadn't noticed and that's when he is available to play at all. smh
Barnes can shoot: But like I said they had to take Mobley I would have too. Just think it would have been great if they could have not been so stuck on Garlands upside that they instead shopped Sexton and missed on ops to add a bigger pg by shopping Garland

 

[weepinwillow]

nobody gets more frustrated w/Collin's tunnel vision than me, but I thought he played well most of the night v the Hornets. Had a couple of forced shots, and missed passes, but overall good. Played off ball reasonably well, took the 3's when they went under the screen..
I put the issues the Cavs have had for two games now on the insistence of this 3 Big rotation. Doesn't help anyone's shortcomings defensively, isn't generating enough offense and perimeter shooting to warrant the minutes, and is losing the rebounding effort it's supposed to win because you have 2-3 positions not doing well defensively on the perimeter which leads to the front court being out of position for rebounds.

 

[Ozone]

nobody gets more frustrated w/Collin's tunnel vision than me, but I thought he played well most of the night v the Hornets. Had a couple of forced shots, and missed passes, but overall good. Played off ball reasonably well, took the 3's when they went under the screen..
I put the issues the Cavs have had for two games now on the insistence of this 3 Big rotation. Doesn't help anyone's shortcomings defensively, isn't generating enough offense and perimeter shooting to warrant the minutes, and is losing the rebounding effort it's supposed to win because you have 2-3 positions not doing well defensively on the perimeter which leads to the front court being out of position for rebounds.

I mean I blame Love outside of his rebounding being a huge liability defensively and not up to speed offensively at all. LM needs to get used to RR now that Garland is out. He cannot play fluidly at the 3 yet either regardless. It won't happen overnight

 

[Lee]

The game is becoming increasingly position-less, dominated by skilled players in the 6'6"-6'9" range. The Cavs have only Okoro who can play like that. if you can't see that, there's no point in continuing this discussion…

The game is still PG....2 or 3 wings....1 or 2 bigs.

We are throwing 3 bigs, none of our 7 foot starters are a wing, its going to be an issue

Sexton in no world is a PG, no Garland or Rubio would be a huge issue.

Sexton has value, but he is a scorer, i still think super sub scorer off the bench is his best position to utilize him the most and have his numbers actually contribute to winning. Sexton has skills, but he is still a ball stop.

 

[Cavatt]

The game is still PG....2 or 3 wings....1 or 2 bigs.

We are throwing 3 bigs, none of our 7 foot starters are a wing, its going to be an issue

Sexton in no world is a PG, no Garland or Rubio would be a huge issue.

Sexton has value, but he is a scorer, i still think super sub scorer off the bench is his best position to utilize him the most and have his numbers actually contribute to winning. Sexton has skills, but he is still a ball stop.

wow you didn't watch the game. He found the open guy on the perimeter repeatedly off penetration and they missed the shots. Literally missed 7 wide open 3s yesterday