Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Derek]

I kinda think we could get away with it for stretches with as much horns action we've been running. I'm curious to see how a Sexton/Okoro/Cedi/Mobley lineup would look with either Allen or Markk. Mobley is such a good passer, I think you can run a lot of the offense thru him for stretches. It may not work, but I'm still interested to see it.

Also, I'm not hating what I've seen from Cedi so far this year, looks like he's got his shit together. I'm already over Markk starting at SF and ready to give Cedi another go there, or Windler if he ever gets healthy. I like Okoro coming off the bench for now, gives him an opportunity to develop his offensive game against reserves.

Problem is, I don’t see us getting into many of those actions when Rubio or Garland aren’t on the floor.

 

[ansatsusha80]

If half your fanbase doesn't respect you as a player, and your front office clearly doesn't respect you as a player, why should the refs respect you?

Especially if there's this odd national narrative that you're not a good teammate...

It's all very strange to me, tbh.

I blame the organization for not coming out and ending this bullshit narrative. This organization havent came out defended Collin not once.

Well Beilein had a huge say in that draft to run his 2 guard system but he's long gone.

With that said I don't think I can get into any more debates regarding Garland and Sexton. I really like both kids (yes they both have warts but they also have skills) and think it's a damn shame the fanbase is taking sides against them when in reality it's Altman who has failed here. The org hasn't gone to bat for Sexton even when the lies came out a few weeks ago about him being an a__hole. As a fan I can see that Collin really wants to win here so it pisses me off to see that crap being "reported". My personal belief is Koby is a huge "yes" man and weasel who needs to take some responsibility so it really irks me when a kid like Collin becomes the scapegoat. Any other GM in the league would've been fired if they had ignored the wing position the way Koby has the past 4 years.

You noticed it too....

He needs some simple plays that he creates the pass for a high percentage shot so he can turn to them when needed. I feel like he can make the right pass but if no one is knocking down those shots, he will revert to calling his own number. It's those bread and butter plays that will keep on the path to keep up those passes.

I feel like he makes passes but they are to the 3pt line and we don't have the shooters to keep his mind set on the right path. It's a balancing act when you have a player that likes to score as much as he does. 3pt shots are going to result in assists like 30-something percent of the time. There are a bunch of shots that the coaching staff could draw up so his assist could go up so he doesn't get down when guys keep missing.

Most of his passes outside the Mobley one are to players at the three-point line. That need to change...imo

 

[Ozone]

Which one is it?

I guess you missed the part of my point which was Garland had immense offseason value coming off the season that made so many think he would break out this year, then preseason came and he looks worse than last year and now he isn't even playing after his high volume low % shooting display in game 1 . Yeah his value is now terrible and imo he did at least have some value this summer.
I cannot believe the amount of people needing to discount his failures as a scorer that have shown up immediately this season as not impacting in a big way any trade value he had built up.
Cavs should have at least shopped around to see if anyone would give up a lottery pick. maybe they did but there was no report of it at all , but now they will never get one until he starts making those shots and as long as those players they missed on like Barnes keep tearing it up it will cost alot more to get any if they ever were available at all

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Kelsey Russo's column in The Athletic about Sexton not getting a contract extension by the deadline clearly indicates the Cavs are not convinced that what he does results in winning.

And our conversation was, in order to impact change, we have to impact winning. And our play, our coaching, everything that we do has to have an impact on winning. And if you do those things, the respect you gain around the league comes. The finances come because that’s what everybody’s looking for. Everybody’s looking for people to impact winning. So that’s what our message to him has been to go out there, show us how you impact winning, and help us become a better basketball team. - Bickerstaff

IOW, after three years they're still not sure that what he does "impacts winning", and they're challenging him to prove that it does in order to get paid.

That next step for Sexton is to use his offensive profile and help turn it into wins for Cleveland. Sexton sees the best way for him to impact winning is to compete on both ends of the floor.

Sexton’s offensive production aligns similarly with a number of players who earned contracts, like Young and Doncic. Young averaged 25.3 points per game last season, shooting 43.8 percent from the field and 34.3 percent from 3....Doncic is averaging 25.7 points per game for his career on 45.7 percent from the field and 33.1 percent from behind the arc....

But one of the biggest differences between Sexton and players like Young and Doncic is being able to use that offensive production to help his respective team win games. It does not fall on just one player alone, but the overarching ability to help win games plays a factor....

Through his first three seasons in the league, Sexton saw some of his statistical numbers increase, from his average points per game to field goal percentage, steals and assists. Yet, so did his average turnovers. His 3-point percentage trended downward over the last three seasons as his average attempts increased.

His role changed over his first three seasons, from starting as point guard during his rookie season, to shifting over to a shooting guard once Cleveland drafted Garland. The Cavs have worked to balance two primary ballhandlers in their backcourt, but the success of that backcourt has ebbed and flowed over their two seasons together, especially on the defensive end of the floor. Sexton focused his individual growth in his shot selection, picking his spots and improving his percentages. He’s also grown in his reads, noticing passes to his teammates and looks that defenses are giving him. He’s picked up on what opponents are doing to switch so he can adjust in the moment....

“I take it as motivation,” Sexton said. “Just to continue to get better, continue to learn and continue to improve. At the end of the day, I know what my team needs from me and I know what I have to do to even take that next jump to get to the next level that I want to be at. So I’m gonna go out and just continue to play, and play my game and play hard on both ends of the court and just continue to prove and show what I can do.”

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

I blame the organization for not coming out and ending this bullshit narrative. This organization havent came out defended Collin not once.







You noticed it too....









Most of his passes outside the Mobley one are to players at the three-point line. That need to change...imo

Man, that's discouraging, watching Sexton set up all those guys for good looks that resulted in brick after brick. Love is 0-for-5 on 3's while Marky is at 33.3%. Collin should have had 4-5 assists last night.

 

[ansatsusha80]

Man, that's discouraging, watching Sexton set up all those guys for good looks that resulted in brick after brick. Love is 0-for-5 on 3's while Marky is at 33.3%. Collin should have had 4-5 assists last night.

Collin will never have Garland's handles but he's still good enough to have 5-8 assists a night if his teammates knock down shots consistently. This is,why I wish JB would have cutters to the basket,so Collin can easy assists instead of having players at the three-point line all the time.

 

[Futuredome]

Time to bench Collin for Rubio?????

 

[bleedwineandgold03]

Time to bench Collin for Rubio?????

Him and Rubio actually are a good match imo better than garland at least Rubio pop the three when get the chance

 

[Cavatt]

Time to bench Collin for Rubio?????

They should maximize the 2 together. Hard when Darius is hurt. I thought Collin had a good game. He has chemistry with Mobley. Could be really cool.

 

[stick]

Collin played well today and it was the right call to close the game without him (last 9-6 minutes). Nothing against his play, but Okoro down the stretch defending Trae was the move to make (imo).

 

[Cavatt]

Collin played well today and it was the right call to close the game without him (last 9 minutes). Nothing against his play, but Okoro down the stretch defending Trae was the move to make (imo).

Yeah it was ok. Defensive unit with a big lead makes sense.

Okoro wow

 

[sailfish]

wow you didn't watch the game. He found the open guy on the perimeter repeatedly off penetration and they missed the shots. Literally missed 7 wide open 3s yesterday

Sexton would’ve had 2 assists in the first two minutes tonight, but Allen dropped the first pass then missed a bunny. He had another nice pass where a guy couldn’t convert. I see him playing a little more unselfishly and playing less hero ball.

 

[ansatsusha80]

Collin played well today and it was the right call to close the game without him (last 9-6 minutes). Nothing against his play, but Okoro down the stretch defending Trae was the move to make (imo).

I have no issue with it either....

 

[Ozone]

Collin played well today and it was the right call to close the game without him (last 9-6 minutes). Nothing against his play, but Okoro down the stretch defending Trae was the move to make (imo).

Sexton was a liability with 5 fouls otherwise he is playing down the stretch but Okoro brought good energy

 

[daddywags]

Sexton is obviously trying to play more within the system. Doesn't look completely comfortable at it to me so far but it's very early.