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CDAV45 said:
Probably because Detroit has historically spent much more in FA.
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Detroit's FA spending has mostly resulted in failure.. They have made a few deadline trades from their FA signings that have helped.. but nothing much and not very often...

Free Agency remains the "..land of diminishing returns..."....
 
Gson said:
Detroit's FA spending has mostly resulted in failure.. They have made a few deadline trades from their FA signings that have helped.. but nothing much and not very often...

Free Agency remains the "..land of diminishing returns..."....
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Detroit's GM has been given the clear to spend in free agency, but if they are competent then they won't to much this offseason since outside of a couple tier 1 guys, most of the available guys are stop gaps or not gonna be worth their price. I don't see Detroit going for a top tier guy in 22... 23 is when they should on paper.
 
the last time the Detroit GM was given "...the clear to spend..." just before the start of the 2014 season, they ended up with Miggy for $ 248 MM...ten years.. It's comfortably assumed the Tigers are less than pleased with the last couple of years.. w/ the next two at $ 72 MM including the buy out of the 2025 option and/or declination of the the last year "bargain" at only $ 30 MM.

In short.. Mr. I is no longer running the Tigers.. & the Tigers are not being run in such an irresponsible/haphazard way anymore & forever.. The comment about "clear spending" can be boiled down to the adage: "...you know that little white spec on top of a pile of bird shit.. it's bird shit too.. " W/R to the tiers.. There are five.. and maybe seven top tier guys who are going to be looking at being paid.. four of them at positions the Tigers are in need of..
 
Gson said:
Detroit's FA spending has mostly resulted in failure.. They have made a few deadline trades from their FA signings that have helped.. but nothing much and not very often...

Free Agency remains the "..land of diminishing returns..."....
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Oh I'm not advocating that Cleveland do the same. Only stating that Detroit's payroll has been quite a bit larger than Cleveland's.
 
CDAV45 said:
Oh I'm not advocating that Cleveland do the same. Only stating that Detroit's payroll has been quite a bit larger than Cleveland's.
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They arent in the shape like one of my OOTP playthroughs lol Detroit had like a 35 fan rating and other stuff like that. Even after I won a world series, it was at like 60... I had like 60 million max to spend on a roster and whatnot, it was kind of horrible lol

For the moment Detroit's budget will end up being higher, but they still have to be smart about it. This free agent class at the moment isn't all that good and I don't see them getting Bryant, so if the GM is smart he won't hand out bad contracts just to get new players in the house lol
 
Detroit is going after 1 of the SS and this FA class has some good ones.
How those players react to a big money contract (& how that player performs if in Detroit regularly) remains to be seen...
 
MadThinker88 said:
Detroit is going after 1 of the SS and this FA class has some good ones.
How those players react to a big money contract (& how that player performs if in Detroit regularly) remains to be seen...
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Tigers need MIF batting help (so a SS makes sense) Stop Gap OF, another SP, and a bullpen arm or two... Resign Schoop and Peralta...

I'd honestly go get Correa sincerely if the owner approves of the contract for him...

Then also I'd go get Seiya Suzuki from Japan if he is posted... Reason why is they are just they need another OF (production just isn't there and Greene isn't ready for 22) plus they need someone else who takes walks and gets on base...

making their lineup LF Grossman, RF Suzuki, SS Correa, 3B Candelario, 1B Schoop, DH Cabrera, CF Baddoo, C Haase, 2B Castro...

A lot of money to spend, but for 22, I think it solidifies their lineup for now. Also Suzuki can play INF, so if I'd have him ready to play 2B as well? That way Greene can take over in the OF...
 
CDAV45 said:
Probably because Detroit has historically spent much more in FA.
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Thats true, but we have the prospect capital that they don't.

The point is that we are in the exact same position as they are....young and ready to take a major step forward.

But, while expecting Detroit to do so, many fans don't seem to want the Guardians to make a major move towards upgrading the 2022 team.
 
sportscoach said:
They arent in the shape like one of my OOTP playthroughs lol Detroit had like a 35 fan rating and other stuff like that. Even after I won a world series, it was at like 60... I had like 60 million max to spend on a roster and whatnot, it was kind of horrible lol

For the moment Detroit's budget will end up being higher, but they still have to be smart about it. This free agent class at the moment isn't all that good and I don't see them getting Bryant, so if the GM is smart he won't hand out bad contracts just to get new players in the house lol
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This is where we have an advantage.

Money can't buy a high production player under control for years to come, without also paying for years of low production at a premium price. Prospects can.

Detroit can probably sign a top tier FA, but it will cost them down the road, because inevitably they will have to tack on several years of highly paid non production.

Meanwhile we can trade for three/four years of peak production that fits our financial situation.

And if things go south, we have a major trade piece, while they have a bad contract.
 
CATS44 said:
This is where we have an advantage.

Money can't buy a high production player under control for years to come, without also paying for years of low production at a premium price. Prospects can.

Detroit can probably sign a top tier FA, but it will cost them down the road, because inevitably they will have to tack on several years of highly paid non production.

Meanwhile we can trade for three/four years of peak production that fits our financial situation.

And if things go south, we have a major trade piece, while they have a bad contract.
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Both guys I mentioned in my other post aren't old players they are younger. They don't have any MIF near so getting a Correa actually and Suzuki on paper makes a ton of sense.

This just isn't a good year to get anything but tier 1 and stopgap kind of guys. Tigers need a bit more than that if they want a playoff push (hence why I said maybe spending isn't as smart this season unless it's a Correa).
 
Correa is only 27, but anybody who signs him will probably be paying him a lot of money when he is well past being productive. I dont think he's gonna sign for three years.

Does anybody really think he will be worth $25 mil per year at age 33 and beyond?

Anyway you cut it, Suzuki is a prospect...a good one to be sure...but a prospect nevertheless.

Lets say we trade for a Laureano. We have a 27 yr old OF for three years...as close to a sure thing as you can get in baseball...with a total cost of far less than Correa will cost for one year....and less than Suzuki will cost.

Which org is better off going forward...the one with Correa for ten years, or the one with Laureano for three?

And if things don't work out, which team has a better trade chip in two years? Let's look...

Haniger as a rental has a trade value of 7.5. Lindor has a trade value of -85.3.

Thats according to Baseball Trade Values, which...as I have said...is pure hokum. But its a system that many seem to believe in.

Now, lets say the cost for Laureano is three/four very good prospects. How bad off does that make us? Well, by this time next year, we will be talking about Martinez, Tena, Noel, Rodriguez, Tucker, and Sanquinton the same way are talking about the top prospects we have now.
 
CATS44 said:
Correa is only 27, but anybody who signs him will probably be paying him a lot of money when he is well past being productive. I dont think he's gonna sign for three years.

Does anybody really think he will be worth $25 mil per year at age 33 and beyond?

Anyway you cut it, Suzuki is a prospect...a good one to be sure...but a prospect nevertheless.

Lets say we trade for a Laureano. We have a 27 yr old OF for three years...as close to a sure thing as you can get in baseball...with a total cost of far less than Correa will cost for one year....and less than Suzuki will cost.

Which org is better off going forward...the one with Correa for ten years, or the one with Laureano for three?

And if things don't work out, which team has a better trade chip in two years? Let's look...

Haniger as a rental has a trade value of 7.5. Lindor has a trade value of -85.3.

Thats according to Baseball Trade Values, which...as I have said...is pure hokum. But its a system that many seem to believe in.

Now, lets say the cost for Laureano is three/four very good prospects. How bad off does that make us? Well, by this time next year, we will be talking about Martinez, Tena, Noel, Rodriguez, Tucker, and Sanquinton the same way are talking about the top prospects we have now.
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If you went through the prospects, the Guardians I feel like have a lot more prospects near MLB ready than the Tigers do, so if the Tigers want to take a step forward they will have to spend money since teams like the Guardians have better trade assets to go get players.
 
CATS44 said:
Thats true, but we have the prospect capital that they don't.

The point is that we are in the exact same position as they are....young and ready to take a major step forward.

But, while expecting Detroit to do so, many fans don't seem to want the Guardians to make a major move towards upgrading the 2022 team.
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We do? I'm not certain where Detroit's farm system lies in the rankings. What they do have is money and the willingness to spend it. I don't know what they're going to do. Maybe they sign a FA or 2. Maybe they trade for a very good player whose team is looking to unload his contract. I honestly don't know. What I do know is that I said quite some time ago that the easy ride through the AL Central is over. If CA and MC don't significantly improve this team then we'll be in for a very disappointing season in 22. Disagree with that all you want, but Chicago is already loaded while KC and DET are getting better. People gave me shit 2 yrs ago when I said that Minnesota was going to give us problems. They said "they don't have the pitching". Well guess what, there are 2 sides to a baseball game and Cleveland is only good at one of them right now. That's the reality. So here's to Cleveland improving its team by whatever means possible and making a legit run at the postseason. If they remain idle I doubt that there's a chance of that happening for another year or 2.
 
CATS44 said:
Correa is only 27, but anybody who signs him will probably be paying him a lot of money when he is well past being productive. I dont think he's gonna sign for three years.

Does anybody really think he will be worth $25 mil per year at age 33 and beyond?

Anyway you cut it, Suzuki is a prospect...a good one to be sure...but a prospect nevertheless.

Lets say we trade for a Laureano. We have a 27 yr old OF for three years...as close to a sure thing as you can get in baseball...with a total cost of far less than Correa will cost for one year....and less than Suzuki will cost.

Which org is better off going forward...the one with Correa for ten years, or the one with Laureano for three?

And if things don't work out, which team has a better trade chip in two years? Let's look...

Haniger as a rental has a trade value of 7.5. Lindor has a trade value of -85.3.

Thats according to Baseball Trade Values, which...as I have said...is pure hokum. But its a system that many seem to believe in.

Now, lets say the cost for Laureano is three/four very good prospects. How bad off does that make us? Well, by this time next year, we will be talking about Martinez, Tena, Noel, Rodriguez, Tucker, and Sanquinton the same way are talking about the top prospects we have now.
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