Cavaliers Trade Ideas: 2022-23 regular season edition

Who on this team does Eric Gordon take minutes from?

adam81king said:

Who on this team does Eric Gordon take minutes from?

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My guess it's Stevens who loses in any trade for a 2 guard...

cliffdawg said:

I like Gordon but giving up no FRP for him……

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This is my thought too. Would love to get Eric Gordon for this bench. Him and Love would rain threes and space the floor. Throw in Windler and you have three marksmen. I think a combo of Rondo and Gordon makes up for Rubio's production.

Is Robert Covington still good? He only has one year left on his deal, shoots about 35% from three, and has the physical build to matchup up with some of the best wings in the conference. I haven't seen him play in a while, so no idea if his defense is still good.

I wonder if Rubio and a second round pick or two for Covington and Tony Snell would be enough. The Blazers don't take back any contract longer than this season and those second round picks would be a decent return for a player that isn't worth anything to a non-contender and most likely isn't coming back in the offseason. Snell is included so the salaries can match.

adam81king said:

I'm really confused why so many want to make such big changes to a team that, when healthy, has shown to be a top 3-4 team in the conference, despite not a single starter being able to rent a car without parental permission.

This team has *barely* played half a season, and played less than a handful of games whole. Their best players have all missed a decent amount of time with injuries or covid. All that and they're still 2.5 games out of 1st in the Conference. They have 2 should-be All-Stars and a likely ROY. *No one* thought this team would be this good this year. If this was a veteran team with a tight championship window, I'd understand pushing all your chips to the middle and trying to cash in this season. These guys are young pups, though. This year is house money. See what we really have and *then* make a move in the offseason.

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As the team improves, our avenues to add talent narrow. For me, it is just more about maximizing opportunities.

Rubio's injury, to me, is one of those opportunities. We now have a salary asset at our disposal we were not expecting and for the foreseeable future, with good health, will not be making draft selections that are likely to have an impact.

We have two large roster holes and if we can fill one with a known quantity, with an eye on large extensions coming for Garland and then a few years later Mobley, the time to assemble additional talent is now IMO. Before all that downward salary pressure starts snowballing.

I wouldn't make a trade to make a trade but if the Cavs can add a consequential talent at either the 2 or 3, I think you do it, even if you are extending slightly.

Jscc said:

I can't see Toronto trading OG for anyone short of a star and multiple first round picks. It's like trading for Brandon Ingram. Him and Barnes are their core. They hope OG develops into a Kawhi. If they could get him though... oooh boy.

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That could be true. On the surface, OG is a superior player than Lauri, I acknowledge that. But I think need is important. Siakam and FVF are still just 27 plus Barnes and Trent (23 years old). That to me seems like a good core that is young enough to compete. Throw in Lauri as the stretch big at center and I think a trade leaves both teams becoming more complete and versatile. Both would be trading out of their strength to fill a weakness. Seems like a win-win.

I would send the Cavs 1st round pick in 2022 along with the Spurs 2nd if that’s what it took.

Ingraham is more of a pipe dream. He is much more fundamental to the core of his team than OG is to the Raptors.

ice cream man said:

Would like to get Robin Lopez along with Gary Harris if we could. I don’t think we can do much better than that without giving up something really valuable to us.

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I am not sure i see the value of Lopez, but Gary Harris would be nice, but to give you an idea, he is scoring less than 2 points a game more than Okoro, doesnt play as good defense as Okoro is already elite, and has a total shooting percentage of .561 this year, barely above Okoro's .555. He is shooting .36 from 3 vs .31 for Okoro, but I dont know if Harris starts of Okoro as Harris is currently a very good comp where Okoro is currently.

Basically advanced stats both offensive and defensive shows Okoro just as good as a 27 year Harris and Okoro is only 21. Biggest issue is Harris is on the last year of his contract and is owed 20.5 million. We would have to send out more than Rubio to get him and i think it might take one of our good 2nd round picks which might be to rich for my blood for a player we might not retain next year as by then Okoro will be better and Harris might want too much money or not want to be a backup.

But sure, if he comes cheap, ie Rubio and an unlikely 2nd round pick to convey.

adam81king said:

Who on this team does Eric Gordon take minutes from?

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All of Lamar's minutes, some of Rubio;s when he is back and some of Okoro's

Chances are Gordon starts at SG. Better shooter and playmaker, very Sexton like to be honest.

adam81king said:

Who on this team does Eric Gordon take minutes from?

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Are you kidding? He addresses an area of need. He can play at SG, SF, and backup PG in a pinch, which are exactly the positions we have issues with. We have no shortage of minutes in those areas. He would shave a couple of minutes off all of Okoro, Stevens, Goodwin, Rondo, Cedi, and Lauri. Out of all of those guys it should be no problem to find 25 minutes for a good defender who is among the top 3 point shooters in the league.

There are 240 minutes available per game.

I don't think people are taking roles into account with these trades. Many are looking to add more backup players, players that aren't long term adds, or expensive versions of players we already have. Many are also looking to cut minutes/roles/development of players that are under 25, or still on their first contracts, without finding out what you have in these players first.

Just in the last week, can you imagine Stevens and Okoro not playing so Eric Gordon or Gary Harris could have some minutes? Those guys (Okoro and Stevens) have won us games in 2022, and still have lots of development possibilities. Why are folks wanting to stifle that for the same of *maybe* winning another game this year?

Because we saw how good this team was with Rubio and how much pressure is on Garland now. So we can see how we need another really good two way player in the back court.

adam81king said:

There are 240 minutes available per game.

I don't think people are taking roles into account with these trades. Many are looking to add more backup players, players that aren't long term adds, or expensive versions of players we already have. Many are also looking to cut minutes/roles/development of players that are under 25, or still on their first contracts, without finding out what you have in these players first.

Just in the last week, can you imagine Stevens and Okoro not playing so Eric Gordon or Gary Harris could have some minutes? Those guys (Okoro and Stevens) have won us games in 2022, and still have lots of development possibilities. Why are folks wanting to stifle that for the same of *maybe* winning another game this year?

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Just bc Stevens won us a few games means you aren't going to trade for say Brandon Ingram if he is available bc Stevens was good? This is a more extreme example but someone like Eric Gordon has a very clear skillset that we can easily fit into the rotation. He would instantly be our 2nd best playmaker on the perimeter. You play Okoro a bit less, drop the rando wing mins of Stevens/Windler (one of whom is probably gone in such a trade), and probably play Cedi a bit less. 100% worth it.

adam81king said:

There are 240 minutes available per game.

I don't think people are taking roles into account with these trades. Many are looking to add more backup players, players that aren't long term adds, or expensive versions of players we already have. Many are also looking to cut minutes/roles/development of players that are under 25, or still on their first contracts, without finding out what you have in these players first.

Just in the last week, can you imagine Stevens and Okoro not playing so Eric Gordon or Gary Harris could have some minutes? Those guys (Okoro and Stevens) have won us games in 2022, and still have lots of development possibilities. Why are folks wanting to stifle that for the same of *maybe* winning another game this year?

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We do lack a proper scorer from the 2 spot, hence why I want to make a move. Do you think as Okoro and Stevens develop they will be able to good enough players to make up the difference between the Cavs and the top teams? I mean if you think so, then maybe we don't need to make a trade, but I don't think either will. The main nucleus of this team will likely be together long term, so why not go for something now?

My point in a deal though isn't to trade anyone who is a key person right now in the rotation and add to that group. I am okay with standing still as well since I like our draft picks we have, but I'd rather add a veteran which can make this roster better now and help us maybe make a push in the playoffs...

Lee said:

I am not sure i see the value of Lopez, but Gary Harris would be nice, but to give you an idea, he is scoring less than 2 points a game more than Okoro,

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I see Gary Harris as the perfect Buyout candidate if not traded….He’s a expiring contract just like Rubio…….

cliffdawg said:

I see Gary Harris as the perfect Buyout candidate if not traded….He’s a expiring contract just like Rubio…….

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Gary Harris or Josh Hart would both be good vet presence. But not sure I want to block development over trying to make a run. its a very precarious place to be in. We dont need to add expiring talent unless almost free as we are not ready this year imo, but soon and so, so very young. Its exciting, but Gary Harris has to come cheap like a buy out, but if bought out, he might end up with the Lakers with falsehood for a championship run.

We will see.