Game Thread | 2021-2022 Season | Game #80 | Cavs @ Magic | April 5, 2022 | 7:00 p.m.

MirORich said:

JBB deserves blame for several things tonight but not because of Ed Davis, Goodwin, or Windler LOL

How he and the players react to their post all star break experiences this offseason and next offseason will either be a huge growth point for this team or a critical failure to learn.

The injuries are real and matter but there has also been a coasting, possibly some “arrived” entitlement, not respecting lesser opponents, and not playing with the same effort and intensity we saw earlier in the year, good games and bad.

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Well we cant get a fucking stop and all 3 of those guys displayed various moments of defensive abilities this season so yeah he deserves blame. He made a show of benching a guy and then he lets the same dude come get shit on defensively all night…let’s Rondo come in and just throw the ball away and look like shit all night then doubles down with him and Garland in a minuscule backcourt with no backside help besides soft ass shooting bigs?

You say he deserves some blame finally? Good. Well I’m assigning it where I believe it lies. Which is in most facets of the game, the entire gameplan, the failure to adjust, and the garbage ass decision making with failure to call timeouts and impotent ATO plays and all of that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Real Deal said:

Y'all blaming a guard for not getting the rebound when it's the center's job to A: Box out and B: Make effort going after the board, not watching.

Blame goes around on that one

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Ugh!!! If you are talking about LaVert…..yes!!!! It’s his fault! The man who grabbed the rebound for the follow up basket was HIS man! He defended the shot and instead of following through and putting a body on his man he turns to the basket and watched the ball come off the rim allowing his man to walk right past him for the rebound and put back. But again like I said earlier today’s players lack the game’s fundamentals!

Seeding only matters if you believe both Allen and Mobley are going to be healthy actives in the Play In games. With them, this team is not making the actual playoffs. The amount of sins they cover up and holes they stitch up on defense, but also on offense is massive. That’s not an excuse. It’s a fact. Consequence, accountability, and higher expectations still apply to the remaining players and coaches,

Also, just thinking, what sucks even more about the Rubio trade is had he not been injured, we could have still probably gotten LeVert with a combination or Okoro and some other contracts.

Honestly the seeding at this point is just bleh. Who cares.

Yea, we could win a 1 game playoff and get in, that's random.


We will get absolutely smoked in a 7 game series against any team we play, though. Miami, Milwaukee, Philly. All of them will drill us. We've seen enough at this point to know what this team is right now. And it's bad.

Didn't the Knicks just beat this team 118-88?

MirORich said:

Seeding only matters if you believe both Allen and Mobley are going to be healthy actives in the Play In games. With them, this team is not making the actual playoffs. The amount of sins they cover up and holes they stitch up on defense, but also on offense is massive. That’s not an excuse. It’s a fact. Consequence, accountability, and higher expectations still apply to the remaining players and coaches,

Also, just thinking, what sucks even more about the Rubio trade is had he not been injured, we could have still probably gotten LeVert with a combination or Okoro and some other contracts.

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I mean, 7 or 8 over 9 or 10 certainly matters regardless. Anyone can win a 1 off game. Even if JA and Evan dont come back. Garland could drop 50. We could easily win a 1 off against Brooklyn or Atl or whoever. So having to win 1 game over 2 is definitely very important. The Cavs have to find a way to beat the Nets on Friday, IMO. It all comes down to that.

MirORich said:

Seeding only matters if you believe both Allen and Mobley are going to be healthy actives in the Play In games. With them, this team is not making the actual playoffs. The amount of sins they cover up and holes they stitch up on defense, but also on offense is massive. That’s not an excuse. It’s a fact. Consequence, accountability, and higher expectations still apply to the remaining players and coaches,

Also, just thinking, what sucks even more about the Rubio trade is had he not been injured, we could have still probably gotten LeVert with a combination or Okoro and some other contracts.

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At this point, I’d gladly trade Okoro for a future 2nd rounder.

So the boxscores are so very pretty for Love and Markennen.

I am positive they gave all that back and then some on the other end. No doubt in my mind.

Tlyons said:

Didn't the Knicks just beat this team 118-88?

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yes they did, this loss was as inexcusable as it gets imo

InBoobieWeTrust said:

Well we cant get a fucking stop and all 3 of those guys displayed various moments of defensive abilities this season so yeah he deserves blame. He made a show of benching a guy and then he lets the same dude come get shit on defensively all night…let’s Rondo come in and just throw the ball away and look like shit all night then doubles down with him and Garland in a minuscule backcourt with no backside help besides soft ass shooting bigs?

You say he deserves some blame finally? Good. Well I’m assigning it where I believe it lies. Which is in most facets of the game, the entire gameplan, the failure to adjust, and the garbage ass decision making with failure to call timeouts and impotent ATO plays and all of that is just the tip of the iceberg.

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I’ve never said he hasn’t deserved some blame all season long. You consistently misunderstand or misquote my position on JBB and coaching in general. My position is simply that there are very few difference making coaches at the pro level, and most of those are employed. The vast majority of NBA coaches have different strengths and weaknesses that can be picked apart at a micro and ma to level but that generally balance out. Next season is my critical judgement season for JBB. There are certain improvement I need to see. I have no prejudgment in whether they will or won’t. You believe they won’t happen. That’s fine. The way we view coaching is almost incompatible to having a worthwhile conversation about it unless it was a long conversation over drinks.

But yeah, none of those three were going to turn the tide of how this game played out tonight at all. Not that he couldn’t have at least went to one or all of them.

lets hope the Bucks rest their players against us and we dont fuck that game up too

Rich said:

So the boxscores are so very pretty for Love and Markennen.

I am positive they gave all that back and then some on the other end. No doubt in my mind.

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Yea, it's hard to hide the fact that when Love hits the floor we give up hella wide open 3s because he doesn't/can't rotate on D.

Tlyons said:

Yea, it's hard to hide the fact that when Love hits the floor we give up hella wide open 3s because he doesn't/can't rotate on D.

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It's just like a dice roll.

Is Love making his 3s and are they missing them?

Because they're gonna be wide, wide open.


I hope the fanbase is ready for a step back next season until we can put his salary number to better use.

I mean, 7 or 8 over 9 or 10 certainly matters regardless. Anyone can win a 1 off game. Even if JA and Evan dont come back. Garland could drop 50. We could easily win a 1 off against Brooklyn or Atl or whoever. So having to win 1 game over 2 is definitely very important. The Cavs have to find a way to beat the Nets on Friday, IMO. It all comes down to that.
That’s true. I just don’t believe they will IF JA and Mobley aren’t playing.

The level of trapping and physical play Garland has received post all star break is going to double or triple in a play in game and without those two, given the state of our guards/playmakers other than Garland, I don’t see us having a chance against anyone.

Now if one or both of JA or Allen are playing and healthy, then yes, I believe we can win one or two play in games.

So my bad, seeding matters, I just don’t think it’ll mean anything unless those two are back

InBoobieWeTrust said:

I mean, 7 or 8 over 9 or 10 certainly matters regardless. Anyone can win a 1 off game. Even if JA and Evan dont come back. Garland could drop 50. We could easily win a 1 off against Brooklyn or Atl or whoever. So having to win 1 game over 2 is definitely very important. The Cavs have to find a way to beat the Nets on Friday, IMO. It all comes down to that.

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Sexton ain't comin through that door.