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Sochan was supposed to have one of the best pro days of any draft pick. They said he looked really good and the story is he can do a lot more than he showed in college.

I have never been so interested in the murkiness of the draft order. IN 2020 it was annoying, and 2013 it was like having a panic attack over a bunch of bad options.
 
If Jaden Ivey falls to #7, you got to imagine that the Cavs will see what kind of offer they can put together. Would they do the same for Mathurin ?

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John Hollinger's and Sam Vecenie's 2022 NBA Draft Combine notebook

Here's all the scuttlebutt you need to know from the week in Chicago, starting with ways to make the event more valuable for everyone.
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The pick that seems even more certain to be on the move is Portland’s at No. 7, with sources saying the Blazers will push to immediately put a competitive team around Damian Lillard rather than start over. Detroit’s Jerami Grant has been the hot name here, but the Blazers could look at other options.​
 
Douglar said:
If Jaden Ivey falls to #7, you got to imagine that the Cavs will see what kind of offer they can put together. Would they do the same for Mathurin ?

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John Hollinger's and Sam Vecenie's 2022 NBA Draft Combine notebook

Here's all the scuttlebutt you need to know from the week in Chicago, starting with ways to make the event more valuable for everyone.
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The pick that seems even more certain to be on the move is Portland’s at No. 7, with sources saying the Blazers will push to immediately put a competitive team around Damian Lillard rather than start over. Detroit’s Jerami Grant has been the hot name here, but the Blazers could look at other options.​
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The Blazers are hoping to trade for a star with that pick. I don't think they'll be able to, but they might be interested enough Lauri, No. 14, and No. 39 to do it. But Ivey isn't a good shooter and I really don't see how the Cavs can justify trading all that for another guy who needs to play in the same space that Allen and Mobley operate in. Both Sexton and LeVert have an explosive first step and like to take it to the rim. We don't need a third guy like that.

Also, if a guy like Ivey starts to fall due to concerns over his ability to shoot, he can fall quite a bit.
 
Cavatt said:
Sochan was supposed to have one of the best pro days of any draft pick. They said he looked really good and the story is he can do a lot more than he showed in college.

I have never been so interested in the murkiness of the draft order. IN 2020 it was annoying, and 2013 it was like having a panic attack over a bunch of bad options.
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I don't recall a draft in the last 15 years with so many really intriguing options. Usually, there are a bunch of guys that you need to talk yourself into:

- "Yea, Okoro has a bad analytical profile, but he's playing with upperclassmen and defends hard."
- "Yea, Okongwu looks so limited offensively and is a few inches undersized, but he's an athlete and great offensive rebounder."
- "Yea, Avdija didn't put up impressive stats overseas, but he's a 6'10 wing and was playing in a professional men's league."

Not as many where it's so many players that measured well, pass the eye test, and have positive analytical profiles.

I've heard some variation of "Player X is awesome but I doubt he'll be there at 14" about 20 different players. By the laws of math, some of them will be there. The Cavs are going to be in a position to get a very good player.
 
MVP said:
I don't recall a draft in the last 15 years with so many really intriguing options. Usually, there are a bunch of guys that you need to talk yourself into:

- "Yea, Okoro has a bad analytical profile, but he's playing with upperclassmen and defends hard."
- "Yea, Okongwu looks so limited offensively and is a few inches undersized, but he's an athlete and great offensive rebounder."
- "Yea, Avdija didn't put up impressive stats overseas, but he's a 6'10 wing and was playing in a professional men's league."

Not as many where it's so many players that measured well, pass the eye test, and have positive analytical profiles.

I've heard some variation of "Player X is awesome but I doubt he'll be there at 14" about 20 different players. By the laws of math, some of them will be there. The Cavs are going to be in a position to get a very good player.
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Yeah always some dissapointnent that a beloved prospect didn't measure up, but everyone measured well.

I'm excited, but there is 0 clarity about who will be available. Somebody has to slide.
 
So I've come up with my wishlist at 14 of guys who potentially could drop there.

1) Dyson Daniels- I run to the podium to make this pick and take no trade calls at all

2) Tari Eason- A distant second from Daniels but I'm still making this pick almost no matter what

3) Dieng- Excited about this pick but I might listen to an offer or two

4) Mathurin- Think the kid can be a star but if someone is willing to give up the farm to move up to 14, I'm gonna think on it hard.

Would love any of those guys on the Cavs though.
 
Douglar said:
If Jaden Ivey falls to #7, you got to imagine that the Cavs will see what kind of offer they can put together. Would they do the same for Mathurin ?

theathletic.com

John Hollinger's and Sam Vecenie's 2022 NBA Draft Combine notebook

Here's all the scuttlebutt you need to know from the week in Chicago, starting with ways to make the event more valuable for everyone.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

The pick that seems even more certain to be on the move is Portland’s at No. 7, with sources saying the Blazers will push to immediately put a competitive team around Damian Lillard rather than start over. Detroit’s Jerami Grant has been the hot name here, but the Blazers could look at other options.​
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I would be fairly shocked if Mathurin is picked before 7 and I don't think I would even want the Cavs to take him at 14 if he were to last until our pick, depending somewhat on who else is still available. I think Ivey is on an entirely different level / tier as a prospect and would like the Cavs to at least make a best offer (without Garland or Mobley) to go up and get him even at pick 4 or 5, which almost assuredly won't be enough.

One thing I have been wondering is whether the rules would permit us to somehow include next year's FRP in trades with like inverse lottery protection, as it is obviously currently going to Indiana with lottery protection. Like could we offer next year's unprotected pick from 1-14, and if we're not in the lottery (and thus the pick goes to Indy), it would instead be something like a 2024 pick swap (to avoid Stepien rule violation) and some other draft consideration? Could get really complicated, super variable in terms of the value based on whether we make the playoffs next year, but if legal maybe it would be an enticing offer because of the Victor Wembanyama sweepstakes next year?
 
CavsKermit said:
The Blazers are hoping to trade for a star with that pick. I don't think they'll be able to, but they might be interested enough Lauri, No. 14, and No. 39 to do it. But Ivey isn't a good shooter and I really don't see how the Cavs can justify trading all that for another guy who needs to play in the same space that Allen and Mobley operate in. Both Sexton and LeVert have an explosive first step and like to take it to the rim. We don't need a third guy like that.

Also, if a guy like Ivey starts to fall due to concerns over his ability to shoot, he can fall quite a bit.
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We shouldn’t be trading for any player that is a shooting space maker. We need “consistent” perimeter shooting! The kind of shooting that makes defenders think twice about stepping away from. Teams treat our current crop of shooters with a “if they hit the shot so be it….they’re not a real threat” attitude!
 
RchfldCavRaised said:
Agreed with @Sir'Dom Pointer

Eason is the more natural and fluid athlete. Both have the "nasty" that Pop likes to see.

I believe we will see Eason able to switch onto 2s on the perimeter and truly be an interchangeable perimeter 3 whereas Sochan will have trouble until/unless his body transforms a little while he gets stronger. He has a primary 4 with some big ball 3 and small ball 5 body that reminds me of Marvin Williams both with his impact on games when he comes in and the way he is post centric on both offense and defense when he comes in. The one advantage Sochan has is he has shown a clear ability to create and initiate offense for others from the high post and even some facing up against bigger defenders ala Boris Diaw. I would be interested in seeing Diaws measurements against his, honestly. I didn't know he had that and wasn't prepared for that when they started leaning on him to come back in our tourney game.

Eason looks like Scottie Barnes as a athlete when he enters games. You want to put him at the head of your pressure and have him switch on everything and disrupt everything, find gaps to take open shots and crash the glass on offense. He doesn't have Scotties selflessness or ability to create off the bounce for others but Scottie would have been a clear top 2 pick if hebdemonstarted Taris development on his jumper, but athletically, they look like similar athletes and their length and athleticism finds the ball on defense.

Even with the year of age difference, I bank on Eason over Sochan and bank on Eason having a clearer role and more perimeter versatility
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I like Eason allot for reasonable players at 14, i am trying to get over my man crush on Dyson Daniels as the perfect SF but he is running up the draft boards and noway Dyson is there. To me Dyson was the perfect player for SF for us.
 
CavsKermit said:
The Blazers are hoping to trade for a star with that pick. I don't think they'll be able to, but they might be interested enough Lauri, No. 14, and No. 39 to do it. But Ivey isn't a good shooter and I really don't see how the Cavs can justify trading all that for another guy who needs to play in the same space that Allen and Mobley operate in. Both Sexton and LeVert have an explosive first step and like to take it to the rim. We don't need a third guy like that.

Also, if a guy like Ivey starts to fall due to concerns over his ability to shoot, he can fall quite a bit.
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We shouldn’t be trading for any player that is a shooting space maker. We need “consistent” perimeter shooting! The kind of shooting that makes defenders think twice about stepping away from. Teams treat our current crop of shooters with a “if they hit the shot so be it….they’re not a real threat” attitude!
 
Cavatt said:
Sochan was supposed to have one of the best pro days of any draft pick. They said he looked really good and the story is he can do a lot more than he showed in college.

I have never been so interested in the murkiness of the draft order. IN 2020 it was annoying, and 2013 it was like having a panic attack over a bunch of bad options.
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Yeah it's super exciting. Also has the feeling that in a bunch of years we could be looking back at this draft and seeing a ton of good and rotational pieces.

I think it's fun too that we can speculate about trades with the likes of Portland, NOP, Charlotte etc.
 
There are about 16 guys I am somewhat interested in this draft. About half of those guys either don't make much sense for us (M Williams, Duren) or will be top 6 which is outside our realistic trade range (Paolo, etc). Of the remaining 8 guys or so, I think we will be in good shape with any of Eason, Daniels, J Williams, Sochan, Mathurin, Griffin, Dieng, or worst case, Ochai.

A lot of those guys project to be solid starter types at the 50th percentile, but I think that is fine for a 14th pick. We can definitely take a wild swing with Griffin or Dieng as high upside picks, or the Ochai/Williams types who will be strong rotation players out of the gate. As long as some team before us wastes their pick on Branham and Davis (looking at you Was) we should be good. Worth keeping an eye on Cha as well who might just grab a wing at 13 since they are basically guaranteed whoever of Duren/Williams isn't taken top 10.
 
foucault87 said:
Eason, Daniels, J Williams, Sochan, Mathurin, Griffin, Dieng, or worst case, Ochai.
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My personal preference out of that grouping:

Tier 3: Daniels, Griffin

Tier 4: Sochan, Mathurin, Eason tied

Tier 5: Dieng, Ochai, J-Williams


Why tier 3: Daniels played against grown men in the D League and will not be there when the Cavs pick. Griffin is the guy I figured wouldn't be there when the Cavs pick. For months, he was SF1 in this class. The Combine knocked him because he hasn't been training since Duke got bumped. Feels like people forgot that Griffin is half a year younger than Daniels.

Why tier 4: Now we get into players I think the Cavs might actually draft. Mutherin gets a nod over some other scorers because he is an advanced three point shooter with the athleticism to be so much more as a swingman. His offense and defensive distuption could land him a significant role right away. He was "my draft crush" most of March. Sochan and Eason are both exactly what I've wanted on the roster for a long, long time... Eason being more NBA ready right now and Sochan younger and higher upside.

Why tier 5: Here is the guy I believe is the most raw of the top 19 year olds along with the two most developed wings who may have a lower ceiling. They all fit, so I can easily be talked into any of that group on a Cavs roster.
 
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