2023 Guardians Offseason Thread!

TxBuckeye said:

Freeman's reaction lmao

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Gotta admit that was a helluva throw. lol

Unless next week Elon Musk buys the Guardians lock, stock, and barrel...and then fires everybody...no scandal ridden player (mentioning no names) is gonna play for this franchise....period.

An organization has winked at certain types of miscreants for decades, giving them an occasional slap on the wrist. Under societal pressure that organization finally gets with the program and handles the next miscreant (no names mentioned) as it should have all the others before him. That miscreant is not being railroaded. He is not being handled wrongly. He is getting what everybody before him should have gotten, but didn't.

It used to be a long time ago that a college age kid could be stopped by the local police for driving while inebriated. The police would tell him to go home and usually follow him to make sure. Under societal pressure, the rules...and the unwritten rules...were changed. The first kid who had the book thrown at him, instead of the escort home, was not railroaded nor handled wrongly.

He could have said...and maybe did...that last week his buddy got the escort instead of the cell.

And guess what? It didn't matter. It was a new ball game.

For those (no names mentioned) that still insist that under certain situations its okay to physically mistreat women, its a new ball game.

Trevor is not guilty of an actual prosecutable crime, but he's seriously creepy.
I mean everything about the guy is creepy. He's booger-eating gross. (My apologies to the booger eaters.)

He just happened to come along at the exact wrong moment in history for twisted fucks such as himself to become prominent.
This guy would have been fantastic in the 70's.

I love how the people who are saying that Bauer was treated unfairly based on other precedents are really just looking for consistency, whether it's more punishment for others or less punishment for Bauer, and then others just have a field day mischaracterizing what they're saying. Like maybe a few people think Bauer is fine but I think he's a disgusting person who SHOULD be punished but it's just ridiculous with how he's getting one treatment while others are getting a different treatment. He's like the Martin Shkreli of baseball domestic violence, the severity of punishment is based on his attitude a lot more than his crime (and no I don't mean in a strictly legal sense).

AZ_ said:

MLB shadowbanning bad people is okay by me.


Bauer’s time in Cleveland is closed.

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I certainly hope so
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KluberSociety said:

I love how the people who are saying that Bauer was treated unfairly based on other precedents are really just looking for consistency, whether it's more punishment for others or less punishment for Bauer, and then others just have a field day mischaracterizing what they're saying. Like maybe a few people think Bauer is fine but I think he's a disgusting person who SHOULD be punished but it's just ridiculous with how he's getting one treatment while others are getting a different treatment. He's like the Martin Shkreli of baseball domestic violence, the severity of punishment is based on his attitude a lot more than his crime (and no I don't mean in a strictly legal sense).

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He got a harsher penalty than people who did way worse than him... That's the issue and because they gave him a harsher penalty he is going to get to play sooner than he would have normally been able to.

I haven't really been following the Bauer saga. What did he actually do?

Out of the Rafters at the Q said:

I haven't really been following the Bauer saga. What did he actually do?

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For Pete's sake, can we take this to the around MLB forum and I resurrected the Bauer thread there. This is for Guardians discussion only. And, I think we all agree, 99.9999% chance he is not coming back unless TIto retires tomorrow and Dolan sell the club immediately to an owner who does not care.

Sorry wrong board...

Bauer is about to turn 32 and has made $82 million over the course of his career. It's time for him to retire. Baseball did not miss him last year. If he doesn't play this year or next nobody will notice.

KluberSociety said:

I love how the people who are saying that Bauer was treated unfairly based on other precedents are really just looking for consistency, whether it's more punishment for others or less punishment for Bauer, and then others just have a field day mischaracterizing what they're saying. Like maybe a few people think Bauer is fine but I think he's a disgusting person who SHOULD be punished but it's just ridiculous with how he's getting one treatment while others are getting a different treatment. He's like the Martin Shkreli of baseball domestic violence, the severity of punishment is based on his attitude a lot more than his crime (and no I don't mean in a strictly legal sense).

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Can only speak for myself, but it pisses me off that others who are guilty of the same type of shit or worse didn't get punished like this. I don't feel sorry for Bauer and if he's so fucking smart then how did he allow himself to get into this pinch. There's not a snowball chance in hell that he's coming back to Cleveland and I'm perfectly fine with that.

The only caveat that I have is for someone who might be falsely accused, but how would you know and as soon as any word of this type of shit hits the public then you're guilty even if you aren't.

Wham with the Right Hand said:

Bauer is about to turn 32 and has made $82 million over the course of his career. It's time for him to retire. Baseball did not miss him last year. If he doesn't play this year or next nobody will notice.

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He needs to open his own pitching school when he is done.

CDAV45 said:

Can only speak for myself, but it pisses me off that others who are guilty of the same type of shit or worse didn't get punished like this. I don't feel sorry for Bauer and if he's so fucking smart then how did he allow himself to get into this pinch. There's not a snowball chance in hell that he's coming back to Cleveland and I'm perfectly fine with that.

The only caveat that I have is for someone who might be falsely accused, but how would you know and as soon as any word of this type of shit hits the public then you're guilty even if you aren't.

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I mean, the guys who got convicted in the court of public opinion recently- Russell, Osuna, Dyson- have seen their careers in MLB essentially end. About the only one which I can think got a slap on the wrist was Ozuna. And let's be blunt, Bauer has been suspended as much if not moreso for his completely unrepentant and, probably worse, continued vicious public attacks on his accuser. He just hasn't figured out how to shut his mouth, and has made himself toxic for the Dodgers and baseball. Add in how he ingratiated himself to that Dodger locker room like a steak at a vegan convention and you end up in a situation like he is.

petes999 said:

As for Guardians, here is FG Zip write-up

2023 ZiPS Projections: Cleveland Guardians

The Guardians are the most complete team in the AL Central, though winning the division isn’t a guarantee.

blogs.fangraphs.com

"There’s a limit on how bad a bullpen can be when Emmanuel Clase is the guy getting the highest-leverage innings. ZiPS basically thinks he has a good shot to be the best reliever of this generation, though with any pitcher, health is always going to be that hidden X factor. And luckily for the Guardians, the bullpen isn’t bad after Clase. Sam Hentges gets an excellent projection, and ZiPS is as high on James Karinchak about as much as possible for a guy who walks as many batters as he does. ZiPS doesn’t start to feel uneasy until you get to the very end of the bullpen."

Cle = 42.2 Total Zip War
Min = 37.1 (but both Min and Chi were calculated before the Benintendi and Gallo moves so add 2 more wins about to each)
Chi = 35.9

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What do the Golden Flashes think of our bullpen?

Spotrac has a column on trade candidates (12 to be exact) and one of them surprised me.

CAL QUANTRILL (SP, CLE, 27) EST. $5M FOR 2023, ARBITRATION THRU 2025

Quantrill has now posted back-to-back-to-back strong seasons, raising his value to an all-time high. So why move him? The Guardians have 10 starting pitchers at or very close to MLB ready. They can keep the gravy train moving with an annual sell high move like this, especially before Quantrill gets too expensive.

Hmmm. The Guardians love to sell high (Clevinger, for example), but Cal is only 27, very affordable, and the G's are coming off a division championship and looking to go deeper into the playoffs next year. I would say Civale with his injury history and Plesac with ERA's of 4.67 and 4.31 the last two years plus multiple self-inflicted injuries are no sure things.

The G's may need a couple of those "close to MLB ready" starters to step in for Civale and Plesac this year. Trading Quantrill would really be taking a risk, and what do we need more prospects for?

Trading Cal, Straw, and some middle infield prospects for Bryan Reynolds might be worth considering, but it depends on how confident they are that a Cody Morris or Battenfield or Williams is ready to step in and be their #3 starter.

sportscoach said:

He got a harsher penalty than people who did way worse than him... That's the issue and because they gave him a harsher penalty he is going to get to play sooner than he would have normally been able to.

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Sorry, Coach. It won't change your mind but domestic abuse isn't comparable to the seeking out of sickos willing to enable his desire to hurt women. There's no precedent in MLB history, afaik, for what he's accused of nor his adamant refusal to change his behavior.