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The 2023-2024 Off-Season Thread

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The Blazers were a nightmare team under Billups. The only point guard on the roster was Dame, and he's a shoot first guard. The one guy who moved the ball was Hart, who was traded to the Knicks.

While you are correct about small sample size, it's not hard to figure out why the small sample size exists.

I guess that is the type of move we need to make. Low risk, high reward. We for sure need a 3rd big who can make and will take 3's. I do wonder if Wade with a healthy shoulder will be better, but I do worry he will always be hesitant to take 3's.
 
I thought Eubanks, when I saw him against the Cavs seemed like a physical athletic brute.

He had a few blocks, cleaned the glass and popped an effortless three pointer against us in two short stints on the floor. I took notice that night too!

 
The Blazers were a nightmare team under Billups. The only point guard on the roster was Dame, and he's a shoot first guard. The one guy who moved the ball was Hart, who was traded to the Knicks.

My three least favorite teams to watch, for their head coaches heavy defense first, second and third philosophies that totally ignored the offensive side of the ball for the sake of defensive performance was:

Cleveland, Dallas and Portland

Billups gave me a special kind of headache and I was frankly relieved when the team capsized and threw their hat into the tanking ring.

Ultimately, I would give him this season while transitioning out Dame, Grant, Nurk, Simons and turning the team over to Sharpe, #3 pick and a few of their young cheap guys, but phew…

To compliment your love for Eubanks, he was one of the better screen setters. He kept Watford behind him in the rotation by being committed to setting picks, keeping the ball moving, crashing the glass and challenging everything at the rim with abandon.

He’s a much more agile and better in space version on both ends version of what Zeller is giving Spo as his 3rd big
 
I'm going to be up front with you: We won't have much new Cavs news the next month so in it's place, I'm going to be myopic and hard-headed about adding Drew Eubanks as a low cost upside big.

Look at what this man can do:



Now did he play the Spurs - his former team and were they tanking at the time? Absolutely.

But we are talking about a player who spent four years playing on G League and 10 day contracts. In his first year with a guaranteed contract, he leapfrogged a series of drafted young players to earn minutes on the floor. That is a hungry 25 year old with fresh legs and money to earn. Is he gun shy? Maybe that's all in the past.


The post moves!

The monstrous blocks!!!

The silky stroke from three!!!!!

The running sky hook from half way to the free throw line!!!!!!!


I wanted to compare him to Dean before I watched that clip for, as others have called out, the low three point attempt numbers, but after watching I simply can't do it. You've created a fan out of me.
 
Like any mediocre message board lawyer, I saved my best argument for last:


Eubanks doesn't take guff and stands his ground. He don't start shit but he don't take shit. We need more of that. I rest my case.
 
Bobby Portis didn't take and make threes until his third year in the NBA. Brook Lopez didn't take and make threes until he was 28 years old.

It's completely rational to believe Evan Mobley will develop his shooting range in an upcoming off-season, and perhaps this off-season.

What the Cavs miss most is Kevin Love and Lauri Markkanen from the 21/22 season. Give us some depth who can shoot from the forward spots to round out the rotation and Mobley/Allen is a beautiful front court pairing.
Bingo (bolded). Cavs traded one of those guys away to add Mitchell, and the other got struck with the worst kind of injury luck which took him out of the rotation.
JBB (to add on to comments made by Rich(field) earlier) -- got the ultimate get out of jail free card and the front office didn't see it right away.

The ways Lauri especially would have helped last season.... a real 3/4 with a shot to boot.
 
Bingo (bolded). Cavs traded one of those guys away to add Mitchell, and the other got struck with the worst kind of injury luck which took him out of the rotation.
JBB (to add on to comments made by Rich(field) earlier) -- got the ultimate get out of jail free card and the front office didn't see it right away.

The ways Lauri especially would have helped last season.... a real 3/4 with a shot to boot.

The crux of my point wasn't to cry over spilled milk. Instead I'd like to point out what the rotation really needs. Two forwards who can hit a three pointer is way easier to find than an All NBA shooting guard and I expect the front office to get the job done.
 
The crux of my point wasn't to cry over spilled milk. Instead I'd like to point out what the rotation really needs. Two forwards who can hit a three pointer is way easier to find than an All NBA shooting guard and I expect the front office to get the job done.
Oh, I agree. The Cavs NEED to do this before they do anything else.
Also, sign me up for Eubanks.
Might be the best buy-low choice the Cavs can get. Someone has gotta be able to take some real minutes from Mobley/Allen so they're not playing nearly 40 a game.
 
I think the counterpoint is that we ALL want that role for Mobley, but Mobley needs to add an epic amount of weight and muscle to get there. It's not a "no" its just a "not yet" at least from my perspective.

By this time next year hopefully Mobley has filled out even more and will be fully ready to dominate in that role. I'm just very concerned that putting him there too early will have very negative results.

1. I would rather be undersized at the 5 with better spacing across the perimeter than beefed up on the interior with spacing issues on the perimeter

2. If we wait an extra year then we risk having Allen's trade value diminish. It probably will never be higher than it is right now. Allen is probably our best way to get an impactful wing, unless we trade either Mitchell or Garland.
 
An impactful wing will come more from a Mitchell trade (or Garland, but screw trading him) than it will Allen.
The teams with whom you could get trades (Phoenix, but lol doing that with their new owner -- Dallas, etc) that actually would be interested don't employ those kind of wings now. The Cavs absolutely needed to score one in the draft when they were tanking and they rolled snake eyes.

I really need the "Spacing Uber Alles" crew who (IMO, are overreacting to one playoff series) to think hard about this -- it's not happening unless either the Cavs find themselves in the middle of another team's desperation to find a superstar (like they did when they acquired Allen) or a team forced to cut beat because of the new CBA or they're blowing things up (how they got Mitchell). It's not going to come today from an Allen trade unless it's one of those two scenarios. Maybe a distant third is a sign & trade involving LeVert to a team who is lacking in ball handling.

Find a real #3 big (Eubanks, Saric perhaps) and two buy-low forwards, one of whom possibly getting MLE dollars.
Acquiring Keita Bates Diop and waiving Windler (whose salary is not guaranteed) is an easy step forward.
Target guys like Yuta Watanabe and others with the other exceptions the Cavs have.
Might have to actually use that GSW 2nd rounder with a fence-swinger that is exclusively the BFA (best forward available).
Those moves at least mitigate the non-JBB issues with the team.

The ones who really need to be replaced before Allen does are Cedi, Wade, Windler. One is not available, and the other two do not provide enough shooting.
Cedi and Wade might be worse value than Allen now, but they are more of a drag than Allen is and will be on this team post-Lauri and Love.
 
How the heck much money is Grant going to get? Allen+Okoro = almost $29 million.
Yeah, let's not trade Allen and Okoro for the rights to sign one of the worst rebounders in the NBA to a contract that will make him untradable.
 
We need that ass to set some screens at the field house.

I’m now on the Grant Williams free agency train

 
Mobley will have all the space in the world to develop offensively if Allen is removed. He is more talented offensively than Bam. Bam isn't the player he is offensively because he was stuck playing the 5. He just doesn't have the talent to do more than what he currently does--and that is no knock on Bam as he is a fantastic player. I want to give Mobley the Bam role, but that doesn't mean he couldn't expand his game more than Bam ever could.

Where is the evidence that Mobley is more offensively talented than Bam? I don’t see it yet
 
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