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2009 - 2010 Preseason Game 6 @ Mavs

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Robinson with a nice pass on the fast break.

75-74 Mavs
 
Russell showin a good nose for the ball there and good pass.....man he has to be TIRED. Has he even got taken out of this game?
 
JK23 said:
Rab, I respect your opinion and you probably speak for the consensus on Russell. Actually Im sure you do. But I feel differently about him.

Yea there are those guys like Brevin Knight who are smart players who can just flat out play. They have their niche and ideninty in the NBA. Some of those older PGs that are still solid were long time starters that can easily be a backup and produce decently still. But your asking that to be our last spot? The 15th man? I think we are getting a little bit greedy with our already stacked lineup.

Really at this point the options we have is Russell, Coby, and Barrett for guards and no matter how you look at it, none of those guys are stellar. You aren't gonna get a guy that is 20 times better than the other so there isn't much we can do abou it. However we can choose the best possible guy and the guy that is best for this team and will fit in the last roster spot to help our team as much as he can. Notice the word "team".

So Barrett hasn't proven to hit shots, he hasn't been doing much else at all and I think most of us think he is the worst guard option right now. He is small and can't finish at the rim. He has ran the team though to give him credit and that is a quality we are looking for.

Coby is a big guard which is attractive no matter how you look at it. Problem is is that he is more of a SG but his handle is good for his size. He has also gotten to the hole well. But are we really looking for a scorer/SG? Especially one that won't come in and produce consistently and as of late isn't even shooting the ball well and that is his main attribute. To me he wouldn't be a bad pickup but we have plenty of scorers. His defense isn't terrific and the main reason I want Russell is because we don't have any point guards that can straight up guard the point guards(which if we have a guy that can do that, we can have our other players play straight up so we won't have to double).

Russell has shown he can run the team. Your just not gonna see this guy put up huge scoring number no matter how bad you want it. He just isn't gonna do it. He will though always play good defense and be active and causing problems and creating oppurtunities for others. He brings something we could use and don't have at the PG spot.

That is my breakdown and the way I look at it. Everybody has their opinion though.
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Very good breakdown, because it gets the message across better than some snippy comment saying that we should get "Chris Paul with the 15th spot :rolleyes:!1!1!1!!!111".

To be honest with you, just like with Jawad and Kurz competing for a spot, none of these guys impress me either. Barrett has shown the most ability to run a team but can't defend or be relied on to hit a shot. Russell has shown the best defense but nothing else (and it's funny to be against this guy, because of his name...). While it's understandable to feel that he's "running a team", but he's shown me that he runs around, only passes to where he's looking, and actually makes layups that won't be allowed when defense is turned up (additionally, those type of points are out of the coaches' sets and throws all the players off, this isn't D-League...). Coby has shown the least athleticism and ability but the most intelligence in general.

So what's the choice in the matter? Only if we lose any of the point guards from our regular rotation do we look at the veterans on the market. That means we need to know if Delonte will be back. If he is, I still think in case of emergency, we need to look at the guy who will hurt us the least amount. Barrett has no shooting and neither does Robinson. Karl has shown it from time to time. Defensively, Robinson may be the best, but Karl will do the small things that matter. None of them can really run a team, but Karl seems to me the most reliable in the sense he won't hurt us by throwing everybody off.

I don't know... I don't like any of them, but Karl has size and a bigger brain. I trust that more than I trust chickens with their heads cut off, or what I would refer Robinson and Barrett as when running the point. Plus, there's always going to be effort. It's not like we're playing any of these guys as the 8th to 10th guys off the bench like Wally. As a 15th man, who would be better suited? The hard worker or the body?

I would compare Karl to the combo guard version of Wally and Robinson to Snow-without-any-offensive-awareness. If you go with someone who can't understand what it takes to work in the offense, I don't care how much defense you have...

You guys tell me what you think...
 
Those announcers are making excuses! You are suppose to try and beat EVERY team... what happens when you go against a bellow .500 team... are you going to give an excuse like this is you lose? If this were reg season I would be embarrassed if I were them! If you are going out to play you should at least try to play your best no matter the competition! Mavs should be up 20, easily... they played starters for 3 whole quarters!
 
As someone mentioned earlier in this thread and I mentioned in previous Kurz threads, as the 14th and 15th guys, I would much rather have guys that are going to make rotation players work in practice over everything else. I don't think anyone can honestly say that Barret or Carl will make Mo and Boobie work harder on offense than Russel. I think either Jawad or Kurz can help spread the floor against AV and make him learn to cover more mobile 4's.
 
rabman_gold said:
I would compare Karl to the combo guard version of Wally and Robinson to Snow-without-any-offensive-awareness. If you go with someone who can't understand what it takes to work in the offense, I don't care how much defense you have.
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I agree with except for that. The Karl comparison is good. But Robinson to SNOW in regards to offense? Snow was absolutely attrocious at offense. He couldn't hit a shot what so ever. Russell has shown he can hit the open shots and his shot is decent. He just doesn't shoot much which is fine. His freethrow shooting has been good though.

He is quick. The main thing that sets him apart for me is his defense but his offense hasn't been horrible. He just isn't a "shooter".
 
Just when you think we can take control of the game, their scrubs start mopping the floor with our scrubs.. :thumbdown

Nice Jackson!! Stellar play.... :eek:
 
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Wow we look bad, its almost like we are playing a team full of guys from the D-league.
 
jackson wiht a nice baseline move followed by a nice impersonation of david wesley
 
We outplayed some of their better players then we let their "unknowns" come and chin check us!

WIDE OPEN AND NOTHING!!!
 
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