2019 Cleveland Browns Regular Season

[CavsRules]

@CavsRules I have no idea why you want Ramsey.

Not only is Greedy performing extremely well, but we are certainly not going to replace Ward and Ramsey is going to be due a contract. It makes literally zero sense.

Because Jalen Ramsey is the best corner in football, and the Browns have one of the best up and coming corners in football in Denzel Ward, along with the potential of Greedy Williams. That trio alone is untouchable in terms of any team trying to have a better secondary. Throw in Randall as well, and you're just not gonna be able to pass on this defense - especially when you have Garrett and company causing all kinds of hell up front and pressuring the quarterback.

The Browns are clearly going all in. They have the assets to acquire Ramsey, and the money to pay him if they wanted too. Yes.. The team has a ton of guys they have to try and re-sign here soon, but you're not going to come across this opportunity very often. The chance to add that type of talent to your defense, it probably makes your defense the best in the business honestly.

They likely touch base with Jacksonville to see the asking price, and maybe Dorsey puts together a package.. But I don't see them getting him. Makes more sense for KC or New England to land him, since they're super bowl contenders right now and the Browns do have some work to do before they reach that level. So, I expect the rich to get richer here soon.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

 

[Jordan]

Because Jalen Ramsey is the best corner in football, and the Browns have one of the best up and coming corners in football in Denzel Ward, along with the potential of Greedy Williams. That trio alone is untouchable in terms of any team trying to have a better secondary. Throw in Randall as well, and you're just not gonna be able to pass on this defense - especially when you have Garrett and company causing all kinds of hell up front and pressuring the quarterback.

The Browns are clearly going all in. They have the assets to acquire Ramsey, and the money to pay him if they wanted too. Yes.. The team has a ton of guys they have to try and re-sign here soon, but you're not going to come across this opportunity very often. The chance to add that type of talent to your defense, it probably makes your defense the best in the business honestly.

They likely touch base with Jacksonville to see the asking price, and maybe Dorsey puts together a package.. But I don't see them getting him. Makes more sense for KC or New England to land him, since they're super bowl contenders right now and the Browns do have some work to do before they reach that level. So, I expect the rich to get richer here soon.

My guess is that the Jags would demand Greedy or Denzel in return. The asking price for the best CB in the game is going to be astronomically high, especially because he is willing to play for the Jags. It will probably be one promising young player, a high draft pick, and some sort of depth or middle-round pick. Alternatively, I could see something like two starters and a high pick.

I do not think anyone has an issue with Ramsey. The question is if getting a second shutdown corner who is about to get a huge contract worth not getting offensive line help and safety help?

I am not saying I disagree with you, though. Hell, if they traded for Ramsey, I'd be ecstatic. I am just trying to explain the concern, which I also think is fair.

 

[Deezus]

Definitely not the historic rookie season he just had. 100% a top 5 season all time for any Rookie quarterback.

Not the sole all time rookie QB Td record that took Peyton Manning 17 games and Baker only 13 starts.

Definitely not the 64% for 3726 yards for 27 tds, 14 ints, and 93.7 qbr.....500 yards short of all time record that once again took 17 games by Manning.

Not the fact he is the only Rookie Qb to to put up a passer rating of over 151.2 in a game, or how he joined only Aaron Rodgers and Kurt Warner having two back to back 140 passer rating games.

Not the fact the he is only one of 3 quarterbacks to have a td pass in their first 10 games. Which he continued for all 13 games his rookie season. Another Rookie Record, Which btw is still active and now 15 straight.

Not owning almost all browns rookie qb records.

Not the 3 4th quarter comeback wins last year he lead. Or the 4 game winning drives...

Not how he was top 3 in passer rating In the Redzone for all qb's last year as a rookie. Or how he finish with a 93 plus passer rating as a Rookie. Another Browns Alltime Record.

Not how he didn't even start till week 4 yet by the end of the year he led all Rookie Qbs in Td's, passing yards, %, passer rating, pff grades. And efficiency in redzone and all levels of the field.

None of that huh.

Even when you add in the fact it was on a Browns team that was 1-31 the previous 2 years?

If that isn't enough to make you doubt your "just an undersized qb with decent accuracy and football IQ" then I'm not really sure what will.

But I get it. Sophomore year as 24 year old Qb in his first two games this year with all new pieces, teammates, OC, 1st time Headcoach, expectations, and a worse o-line that really didn't play much all together this preseason, Totally unacceptable of Baker to still be making mistakes of that of a young NFL Qb still learning and having growing pains.

I do not have the time to read all of your whiney comments. But I can see your a fucking Narcissist. Who will twist and turn every thing someone who owns you says to make it seem like you won the argument. You got nothing and the fools that agree with you know nothing

@Ozone

 

[Juice is Loose]

Local media is finding new ways to piss and moan in this era.

"LAMAR JACKSON IS FARTHER ALONG IN HIS DEVELOPMENT THAN BAKER".

I fucking called it. I knew that was going to be the talking point.

my god. these people deserve to be covering the 8th grade jv football or some shit.

Then don’t listen to local media? If you’re listening to ESPN Cleveland, that’s on you.

 

[AZ_]

Say what you will, but the Ravens are doing more to put Lamar Jackson in position to succeed than the Browns are with Mayfield.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Say what you will, but the Ravens are doing more to put Lamar Jackson in position to succeed than the Browns are with Mayfield.

I was highly skeptical of their guys they hired on the offensive side, but they have built basically the best offense for Lamar.

That being said, they will run into adversity at some point. Not every team can be Miami and Arizona.

 

[Snowblind]

Sunday will be really interesting since last night it seemed like the penalties were cleaned up a bit, but the play calling was still meh. Didnt seem like there was any drop off with Randall out either, which was good. Still feel like were gonna see them get stomped by the rams though. Really hope Freddie can adjust.

 

[Norm]

Because Jalen Ramsey is the best corner in football, and the Browns have one of the best up and coming corners in football in Denzel Ward, along with the potential of Greedy Williams. That trio alone is untouchable in terms of any team trying to have a better secondary. Throw in Randall as well, and you're just not gonna be able to pass on this defense - especially when you have Garrett and company causing all kinds of hell up front and pressuring the quarterback.

The Browns are clearly going all in. They have the assets to acquire Ramsey, and the money to pay him if they wanted too. Yes.. The team has a ton of guys they have to try and re-sign here soon, but you're not going to come across this opportunity very often. The chance to add that type of talent to your defense, it probably makes your defense the best in the business honestly.

They likely touch base with Jacksonville to see the asking price, and maybe Dorsey puts together a package.. But I don't see them getting him. Makes more sense for KC or New England to land him, since they're super bowl contenders right now and the Browns do have some work to do before they reach that level. So, I expect the rich to get richer here soon.

I can understand your line of thinking on Ramsey.....however, I would venture (for long-term purposes) that Ramsey would be 1 too many big personalities on this team right now. Not that I wouldn't love to pair him with Ward, but we're still trying to figure out who we are now. After adding the additional personalities this off-season and the ones from last year, we're trying to find our identity. Yes, Baker is the leader of the team, but he's also only in his 2nd year, still learning to read defenses correctly and learning it's okay to take the 5 yards the D gives and not trying for 30 yards.

I don't doubt that we will figure it out. Currently looks like week 8 is best case scenario. Right now though, another big personality is not what I would be happy to take on. If Ramsey was a lunch box type player instead of a flashy player, then it's a different conversation

 

[Triplethreat]

Sunday will be really interesting since last night it seemed like the penalties were cleaned up a bit, but the play calling was still meh. Didnt seem like there was any drop off with Randall out either, which was good. Still feel like were gonna see them get stomped by the rams though. Really hope Freddie can adjust.

The Rams have not looked great offensively either to begin this season...

They struggled with the Saints defense a lot on Sunday and won basically because Brees went out.

 

[Lee]

Definitely not the historic rookie season he just had. 100% a top 5 season all time for any Rookie quarterback.

Not the sole all time rookie QB Td record that took Peyton Manning 17 games and Baker only 13 starts.

Definitely not the 64% for 3726 yards for 27 tds, 14 ints, and 93.7 qbr.....500 yards short of all time record that once again took 17 games by Manning.

Not the fact he is the only Rookie Qb to to put up a passer rating of over 151.2 in a game, or how he joined only Aaron Rodgers and Kurt Warner having two back to back 140 passer rating games.

Not the fact the he is only one of 3 quarterbacks to have a td pass in their first 10 games. Which he continued for all 13 games his rookie season. Another Rookie Record, Which btw is still active and now 15 straight.

Not owning almost all browns rookie qb records.

Not the 3 4th quarter comeback wins last year he lead. Or the 4 game winning drives...

Not how he was top 3 in passer rating In the Redzone for all qb's last year as a rookie. Or how he finish with a 93 plus passer rating as a Rookie. Another Browns Alltime Record.

Not how he didn't even start till week 4 yet by the end of the year he led all Rookie Qbs in Td's, passing yards, %, passer rating, pff grades. And efficiency in redzone and all levels of the field.

None of that huh.

Even when you add in the fact it was on a Browns team that was 1-31 the previous 2 years?

If that isn't enough to make you doubt your "just an undersized qb with decent accuracy and football IQ" then I'm not really sure what will.

But I get it. Sophomore year as 24 year old Qb in his first two games this year with all new pieces, teammates, OC, 1st time Headcoach, expectations, and a worse o-line that really didn't play much all together this preseason, Totally unacceptable of Baker to still be making mistakes of that of a young NFL Qb still learning and having growing pains.

Mistakes that his hero made his entire career on his way to his hall of fame penis showing career. (ok last part not necessary)

He needs to calm down, he probably has about 10 plays in 2 games he needs to clean up. 3 of the 4 interceptions and about 6 bad passes in about 80 drop backs.

He can improve, but agreed, the sky isn't falling with him.

 

[Lee]

Say what you will, but the Ravens are doing more to put Lamar Jackson in position to succeed than the Browns are with Mayfield.

100 percent true. I wish we had smart enough media to ask Freddie why he went away from all the sets with 2 tight ends that Baker flourished in and now Lamar is flourishing in too. Empty backfields are ok if you max protect the guy with 2 tight ends. If Odell, Jarvis and a 3rd WR cant get open with 7 offensive lineman protecting Baker and giving Baker 3.5+ seconds to throw, then we have a different issues.

If we cant 3.5 seconds from 7 offensive lineman unless a full house blitz, we have different issues. But right now pentration is only coming from the outside and we are not helping our over manned tackles.

Lets do what we know we need to do.

 

[CavsRules]

My guess is that the Jags would demand Greedy or Denzel in return. The asking price for the best CB in the game is going to be astronomically high, especially because he is willing to play for the Jags. It will probably be one promising young player, a high draft pick, and some sort of depth or middle-round pick. Alternatively, I could see something like two starters and a high pick.

I do not think anyone has an issue with Ramsey. The question is if getting a second shutdown corner who is about to get a huge contract worth not getting offensive line help and safety help?

I am not saying I disagree with you, though. Hell, if they traded for Ramsey, I'd be ecstatic. I am just trying to explain the concern, which I also think is fair.

Yeah, the price is probably going to be too steep for the Browns to acquire him. I get that aspect of it. I'm by no means expecting the Browns to land him.. I'd be stunned if they did, actually.

If they ask for Ward I hang up. They ask for Greedy.. I'm listening, but I'd much rather just give them a few picks instead.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

100 percent true. I wish we had smart enough media to ask Freddie why he went away from all the sets with 2 tight ends that Baker flourished in and now Lamar is flourishing in too. Empty backfields are ok if you max protect the guy with 2 tight ends. If Odell, Jarvis and a 3rd WR cant get open with 7 offensive lineman protecting Baker and giving Baker 3.5+ seconds to throw, then we have a different issues.

If we cant 3.5 seconds from 7 offensive lineman unless a full house blitz, we have different issues. But right now pentration is only coming from the outside and we are not helping our over manned tackles.

Lets do what we know we need to do.

Baker was protected last night. Once again he had more than enough time to make the reads but he is waiting on the bigger play.

Maybe it's up to Freddie to force his hand, but Baker is taking way too much time when there are open options under the coverage. Teams keep seeing Baker pissing into the wind, they are just going to play cover 2 all game and watch him struggle.

Offensive line is solid but unspectacular. More than adequate to find the open guys. Now its Baker's turn to live up to his end of the bargain.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Say what you will, but the Ravens are doing more to put Lamar Jackson in position to succeed than the Browns are with Mayfield.

Total Defense Ranks:

Miami: 32
Arizona: 31

That also helps.

I think the Browns have some warts on offense but I seriously don't know what conclusions you draw from Jackson playing absolutely abysmal defenses.

Tennessee and NYJ are both top half of the league in scoring defense.....So the tests have been stiffer for the Browns. I like what the Ravens have done but the first two weeks are a take a guess for me, as to what it actually means for Jackson's development......just because the quality of defense was so unbelievably bad.