2019 Draft, Pick #30 - Kevin Porter Jr., USC

[saymac]

we do like to run down some of our players on this board who are you rooting for

 

[Man Called X]

we do like to run down some of our players on this board who are you rooting for

I root for Greg Ostertag's puffy nipples.

 

[mds]

Can someone volunteer to buy saymac a new keyboard? I can arrange a group buy.

Hey, thats 4 less caps than usual.

 

[mds]

I root for Greg Ostertag's puffy nipples.

#TeamMicroPeen

 

[Pioneer10]

Is every part of someone's brain 100% fully developed before 25? Apparently not. But the question is whether or not the undeveloped percentage is so significant that we shouldn't consider 20 year olds mentally competent and/or responsible for their actions.

-By 25 the science is pretty clear the brain in terms of maturation is done (this has been pretty well established since the advent of MRI over the last few decades)

-Not that I have an answer for this but using age alone goes against what we know of neuroanatomical correlates of behavior. The pre-frontal cortex specifically has been shown to be important in decision making and social behavior - essentially part of the circuit that puts on the brakes. This is the specific area that is slow to develop

-even the conservative supreme court has started nudging this way with banning of death penalty for juveniles based in part of the neuro-science of brain development. The problem as a society is though the science is pretty clear on this and major areas of the brain which reduces the likelihood of criminal behavior takes longer to develop then say the ability to read/write/logic. Like I said I don't know what the answer to this question is as ethics and law tend to lag science (in one real sense: the brain of young adults can work thru the logic of right and wrong yet don't necessarily have the hardware to use the logic: emotional IQ lagging behind just IQ)

 

[Sebastian]

Is every part of someone's brain 100% fully developed before 25? Apparently not. But the question is whether or not the undeveloped percentage is so significant that we shouldn't consider 20 year olds mentally competent and/or responsible for their actions.

The frontal lobe is most certainly not developed in the vast majority of people at 20.

And there are many good arguments for what you propose. Indeed, 21 as a voting age was fine but for the fact that 18 year-olds were being drafted.

If the draft age went up, I would not argue against raising the voting age, and overall age of majority.

 

[Alec]

Get well young man.

with each passing game it becomes more apparent we need his bucket getting ability. Tired of watching Nance and Exum shoot bricks.

 

[RonG]

Can someone volunteer to buy saymac a new keyboard? I can arrange a group buy.

I'll pay for it 100%

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The frontal lobe is most certainly not developed in the vast majority of people at 20.

And yet...the vast majority of those 20 year olds - even 16 year olds - still somehow manage to hold jobs, and live a reasonable life without going over the edge. Some become incredibly accomplished academically or professionally with tremendous self-discipline. A great many are kind and decent people.

In the military, the vast majority of your 18-20 year olds manage to show up for every formation, follow orders, care and even scrifice for each other, etc.. Some even have led armies successfully. Yes, they sometimes do stupid things, but for most, they're little stupid things.

They're not running around committing crimes of significance or engaging in random violence.
They have moral compasses and know right from wrong. And they manage all of that despite the vast majority not having fully developed frontal lobes.

All of which means a "fully developed" frontal lobe is not necessary to behave as a responsible, moral person, or to be held to that standard.

 

[weepinwillow]

And yet...the vast majority of those 20 year olds -even 16 year olds - still somehow manage to hold jobs, and live a reasonable life without going over the edge. Some become incredibly accomplished academically or professionally with tremendous self-discipline. Agreat many are kind a decent people.

In the military, the vast majority of your 18-20 year olds manage to show up for every formation, follow orders, care and even scrifice for each other, etc.. Some even have led armies successfully. Yes, they sometimes do stupid things, but for most, they're little stupid things.

They're not running around committing crimes of significance or engaging in random violence.
They have moral compasses and know right from wrong. And they manage all of that despite the vast majority not having fully developed frontal lobes.

All of which means a "fully developed" frontal lobe is not necessary to behave as a responsible, moral person, or to be held to that standard.

This is true, but when you are also good at sports, even at lower levels like HS your behavior keeps getting swept under the rug, because sports. Hope we don't have a Josh Gordon on our hands here.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

This is true, but when you are also good at sports, even at lower levels like HS your behavior keeps getting swept under the rug, because sports. Hope we don't have a Josh Gordon on our hands here.

That's true -- but that's not the fault of someone's frontal lobe.

 

[Pioneer10]

And yet...the vast majority of those 20 year olds - even 16 year olds - still somehow manage to hold jobs, and live a reasonable life without going over the edge. Some become incredibly accomplished academically or professionally with tremendous self-discipline. A great many are kind and decent people.

In the military, the vast majority of your 18-20 year olds manage to show up for every formation, follow orders, care and even scrifice for each other, etc.. Some even have led armies successfully. Yes, they sometimes do stupid things, but for most, they're little stupid things.

They're not running around committing crimes of significance or engaging in random violence.
They have moral compasses and know right from wrong. And they manage all of that despite the vast majority not having fully developed frontal lobes.

All of which means a "fully developed" frontal lobe is not necessary to behave as a responsible, moral person, or to be held to that standard.

Yet society as a whole doesn't truly believe this as there are huge portions of it dedicated to keeping these 20 yo olds occupied
-you have college with a bunch of outlets such as greek society, sports, etc to let people goof off
-the military I would argue goes against your point - this gives an extremely structured approach to get people to behave. You have someone basically looking after your every single move. Even in more abstract term these folks in this group are being groomed to be automatons and only later in their careers are they asked to think about strategy.
-even little things like you have parents able to keep their kids onto their insurance till age 26

I would say not necessary is carrying a lot of weight with this sort of IMO reductive approach to age. There is a vast difference between able to understand right and wrong and the ability to follow the right action. Why is there is some vast difference in the law between how the law deals with 17 yo and 11 month old versus an 18 yo and 1 month old? It's an arbitrary variable of age 18 which is trying to reflect that development does matter in terms of what standards we hold individuals.

 

[CavsFan07]

Is there any update on his timeline / return to the team / eventual playing time?

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Is there any update on his timeline / return to the team / eventual playing time?

Not soon.

 

[David.]

Is every part of someone's brain 100% fully developed before 25? Apparently not. But the question is whether or not the undeveloped percentage is so significant that we shouldn't consider 20 year olds mentally competent and/or responsible for their actions.

Nueroplaticity.

Brain never stops growling or changing