2019 NBA Draft Lottery

[catfish]

One negative in hiring an older college coach with no NBA experience like Beilein is that he may overvalue guys he would want on his college team rather than getting the best future NBA players. So a guy that works hard with decent skills in several areas that is closer to a finished product is going to be favored over the guy with untapped potential that may never do anything. The attitude that if you gave me a college team with Hunter, Grant Williams and some grinders I could win an NCAA title, so I can win an NBA title with those guys too.

Think you are underestimating Belein's knowledge of the pro game.

 

[sailfish]

One negative in hiring an older college coach with no NBA experience like Beilein is that he may overvalue guys he would want on his college team rather than getting the best future NBA players. So a guy that works hard with decent skills in several areas that is closer to a finished product is going to be favored over the guy with untapped potential that may never do anything. The attitude that if you gave me a college team with Hunter, Grant Williams and some grinders I could win an NCAA title, so I can win an NBA title with those guys too.

Yes, I agree. There can be a dichotomy between what coaches want and what front office members want. Coaches usually want players that will contribute quickly and will help them win ASAP. Given Beilein’s advanced age (66), this may be especially true in his case. Front office members are challenged with thinking more long-term and finding players with the highest ceilings, who have the potential to really grow their game. That said, front office members who are on the proverbial hot seat will tend to side with the coaches, knowing that they need the team to start winning to save their job(s).

Can the Cavaliers coaches & front office find a happy medium or will one end up caving to the other? With the Cavaliers’ known emphasis on analytics, which will generally favor production, it plays right into the wheelhouse if players, like Hunter & Grant Williams.

I’ll wait to see what happens, but I expect the Cavaliers to select more polished, pro-ready players over those that need more development. Of course, the Cavaliers will sell it to the fans & media that these players still need to be developed and they aren’t close to their ceiling.

 

[MarkPriceFan]

Lillard you could argue is a bigger PG since hes 6-3 with a 6-8 Wingspan. McCollum is 6-3 with a 6-5 wingspan making him similarly sized to Collin Sexton who is 6-2 with a 6-7.25 Wingspan. Sexton's Standing Reach is also higher then McCollums standing reach. So aside from being an inch taller height wise McCollum isn't actually bigger then Sexton. But I agree it depends on what you surround them with. Gotta have a Rudy Gobert/Clint Capela type Defensive Anchor if you plan on having a Sexton - Garland backcourt.

We could probably do a deal for Capela using JR Smith.

PG: Garland
SG: Sexton
SF: Cedi
PF: Love
C: Capela

 

[NMCav]

I'm just making the point that by the time he was drafted, McCollum showed some amount of defensive versatility, enough that he could credibly be considered a SG defensively. Sexton hasn't shown that at all...if we're hoping that he can eventually defend SGs, that's a complete shot in the dark. Maybe he'll eventually be a guy like McCollum who plays a little bit bigger than his actual size, but he hasn't even hinted at that potential yet.

How much of that is due to his age and actual development in college? Sexton had Avery Johnson as his coach in college and Lue/Drew this year. Comparing McCollum coming into the league at 22 with 4 years of college to Sexton coming in with 1 year of college is like comparing apples to oranges in terms of development before reaching the NBA.

 

[Nathan S]

How much of that is due to his age and actual development in college? Sexton had Avery Johnson as his coach in college and Lue/Drew this year. Comparing McCollum coming into the league at 22 with 4 years of college to Sexton coming in with 1 year of college is like comparing apples to oranges in development before reaching the NBA.

Bird in the hand vs. bird in the bush kind of thing. McCollum made defensive improvements to the point that he's able to play SG defensively in the NBA in spite of his size. Sexton could theoretically make those same improvements, but there's no guarantee that he will. Personally, I think it's pretty unlikely.

 

[NMCav]

Bird in the hand vs. bird in the bush kind of thing. McCollum made defensive improvements to the point that he's able to play SG defensively in the NBA in spite of his size. Sexton could theoretically make those same improvements, but there's no guarantee that he will. Personally, I think it's pretty unlikely.

Depends on how the new staff trys to develop him. He couldn't shoot well in college from deep and developed himself into a 40 percent 3 point shooter in the NBA. The thing with Colin is his work ethic. His work ethic is honestly at another level. Also has coaches who are known for developing players instead of Avery, Lue, and Drew.

 

[dark2332]

We could probably do a deal for Capela using JR Smith.

PG: Garland
SG: Sexton
SF: Cedi
PF: Love
C: Capela

Capela is a positive asset. They aren't looking to trade him purely as a salary dump, they are looking for positive assets.

Where the Cavaliers currently are in this stage of their development, we aren't in position to send out positive assets for "win now" players, even though Capela is only 25.

 

[inliner311]

But you’ve also gotta game best player available at this point. I think talent trumps positional need at this early stage. I also think a two pg system is okay for now. Sexton benefitted tremendously once we had him playing off the ball for stretches.

I think if we get rid of Clarkson, developing 2 point/combo guards becomes alot easier. If we draft Garland or Coby White, we can't have a black hole like Clarkson on the second unit hogging the ball. Any guard we draft will be asked to play on and off the ball but we need 48 minutes to work the rotation to give them opportunities. If we have Clarkson a huge chunk of that gets thrown out the window and no one can develop on the second unit.

 

[Ozone]

Yes, I agree. There can be a dichotomy between what coaches want and what front office members want. Coaches usually want players that will contribute quickly and will help them win ASAP. Given Beilein’s advanced age (66), this may be especially true in his case. Front office members are challenged with thinking more long-term and finding players with the highest ceilings, who have the potential to really grow their game. That said, front office members who are on the proverbial hot seat will tend to side with the coaches, knowing that they need the team to start winning to save their job(s).

Can the Cavaliers coaches & front office find a happy medium or will one end up caving to the other? With the Cavaliers’ known emphasis on analytics, which will generally favor production, it plays right into the wheelhouse if players, like Hunter & Grant Williams.

I’ll wait to see what happens, but I expect the Cavaliers to select more polished, pro-ready players over those that need more development. Of course, the Cavaliers will sell it to the fans & media that these players still need to be developed and they aren’t close to their ceiling.

Don't overthink it. Hunter is not really an analytics darling despite his defense for a team that already takes too many mid range shots and needs better finishers and 3 point shooters.
I do not think Beilein should stick his nose into the draft being new to the league and new to the org.
Williams could make some sense late 1st depending on what they do early and if they have another pick in between.
Analytics always has it's place in player assessment at this point, not exclusive to the Cavs , but it also has proved to be more beneficial when targeting the role players in a system to compliment the typical studs taken with high lottery picks

 

[WannaBstud]

I have this growing suspicion that the Cavs like Reddish more than most.

My prediction

#1 Zion
#2 Ja
#3 RJ
#4 Culver
#5 Garland (Bulls)
#6 Coby White
#7 Reddish (Cavs) - Clarkson and Garland for Lavine, Reddish and a 2nd rounder

#13 Brandon Clarke PF - Miami Dump with JR Contract

#26 Ty Jerome PG/SG

 

[Kiddo]

I'm leaning toward Reddish at 5 and then using Jr and 26 to move up into the early - mid teens and taking BPA

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I have this growing suspicion that the Cavs like Reddish more than most.

My prediction

#1 Zion
#2 Ja
#3 RJ
#4 Culver
#5 Garland (Bulls)
#6 Coby White
#7 Reddish (Cavs) - Clarkson and Garland for Lavine, Reddish and a 2nd rounder

#13 Brandon Clarke PF - Miami Dump with JR Contract

#26 Ty Jerome PG/SG

The Bulls will not trade Lavine to move up 2 spots. I would much more likely expect to see them maybe give up a future top 5 protected 1st round pick. Same price the Mavericks paid for a similar move.

 

[dark2332]

I have this growing suspicion that the Cavs like Reddish more than most.

My prediction

#1 Zion
#2 Ja
#3 RJ
#4 Culver
#5 Garland (Bulls)
#6 Coby White
#7 Reddish (Cavs) - Clarkson and Garland for Lavine, Reddish and a 2nd rounder

#13 Brandon Clarke PF - Miami Dump with JR Contract

#26 Ty Jerome PG/SG

I wouldn't call it a "growing suspicion." Numerous members of the media, including Joe Vardon, have said as much about the Cavs fondness for Cam Reddish. The same is true of Garland.

The real question will be if all of this was smoke--which I believe to be the case.

The Cavaliers front office is pretty tight-lipped. Didn't hear anything about Beilein. Anything about Gottlieb. Anything about numerous other past transactions.

The stuff out there this week is likely out there because we want it out there.

 

[cabs]

would not want lavine, terrible defender, terrible contract, would be signing up to be 10th in the East for a while

 

[rastamon87]

It's been quiet lately on rumors about JR trade... would be dissapointing if the Cavs doesn't get a good asset on that contract and just forced to waive him...