2019 NBA Draft Lottery

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Not trading JR's contract would be malpractice by Altman. The Cavs banished JR, but held on to him for a full season with this exact purpose in mind and now they're gonna just waive him because the contract they're taking on might be too much? After Gilbert allegedly gave the thumbs up to go into the tax again?

This is unequivocally one of the Cavs best opportunities to add a quality draft asset. A team acquiring JR's contract can open up something like 14-15 in cap space IMMEDIATELY.

Exactly--I believe the Cavs probably had a chance to save a couple million dollars overal by buying him out last year if they really wanted to---whatever amount another team would have made up on the buyout market. Would have also alleviated basically most luxury tax possibility for the summer too.

They're going to make a deal.

That JR contract was basically messed up from the start--mostly due to the thing with his newborn daughter being severely premature, then he had the injury, was never right. Then I think with all the turmoil and stuff going around the Cavs he kind of just reverted back to the JR of old, then the Wade stuff, LeBron being out the door, etc. It was easy for JR to just collect his check and go through the motions. It took a lot from Griff, Ty and Bron to get JR playing the way he did for us to earn that contract. But they put the non-guarantee in there for a reason and Griff and crew knew the day he signed that deal the contract would be a trade asset at this very moment. Time to cash in.

 

[sailfish]

The Cavs will trade JR's deal. Very confident in this.

Whether it is for an extra pick on draft night, whether it is to move up on draft night, whether it is for future draft compensation, or whether it is for possibly even a young player in the league right now that they like....that is yet to be fully decided. For that reason though, it's unlikely anything is executed on draft night.

If they don't make a trade on draft night, it will likely be them making a deal to help facilitate another teams free agency hopes and dreams closer to the June 30th deadline for future draft compensation or a young player they like right now.

I wouldn't panic if the trade doesn't happen on draft night. The Cavs already have 5 and 26, they are exploring using cash, of which they have I believe their entire cash consideration amount still available, to buy a 2nd rounder.

The draft is considered extremely top heavy as well. Future draft compensation is very much at the forefront of their wishlist. While we've got a decent amount of 2nd's and that interesting Milwaukee pick, we still owe the Hawks a pick--hopefully and most likely 2 2nd's...but the Cavs definitely are going to put some value onto future draft compensation.

The idea is to continue to have a constant stream of young players coming in via first round picks for the forseeable future. There are also 10 days between the draft and JR's contract date---and these are generally the most important days in NBA free agency because it's when all of the decisions are usually 100% locked in. There are going to be several future first round picks available in that 10 day span.

I thought there could be no trades after the draft, until the start of free agency? What is the date that JR‘s contract becomes fully guaranteed?

 

[NMCav]

I thought there could be no trades after the draft, until the start of free agency? What is the date that JR‘s contract becomes fully guaranteed?

6/30/19. So I assume the deal has to take place this week. The draft would be the last chance. Because like you said usually a period of time where trades can't be done after draft and before new league year officially begins.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I thought there could be no trades after the draft, until the start of free agency? What is the date that JR‘s contract becomes fully guaranteed?

June 30th---but I am not aware of this rule you're referencing? Do you have a source for that? I believe we have been able to trade JR since the day our season ended and may do so until June 30th unless we pick up his option.

The league moratorium period begins July 1 and ends July 6, but JR's contract will have to have been dealt with by then.

 

[sailfish]

I wonder if we would draft Garland and then trade Sexton and JR to Phoenix for 6th overall and a bad contract (Johnson?)

If it were possible to put a player back in the draft after a year in the NBA, where would Colin fall in this draft? He was 8 last year and arguably outperformed his expectations through the year. And he is the same age as Hunter or Culver.

Like many others on the board, I am in no position to judge Garland. His brief college career is not particularly useful to evaluate, especially when compared to the body of work provided by Reddish, Hunter and Culver. Christ, Carson Edwards has shown more evidence of being a scoring guard than Garland. But to be honest, I felt the same way about Sexton. When we picked him I scratched my head and wondered what they saw in him. It turned out pretty well. Perhaps the Cavs have some magic formula that projects success or lack there of.

If they draft him, well I will root for them. But it seems areal stretch to me.

See, now that’s your classic make a deal (with Phoenix) just to make a deal. Personally, I’m not taking on Johnson’s horrid contract unless the Suns throw in a 2020 unprotected first round pick.

 

[sailfish]

June 30th---but I am not aware of this rule you're referencing? Do you have a source for that? I believe we have been able to trade JR since the day our season ended and may do so until June 30th unless we pick up his option.

I seem to recall that trades could be made leading up to and during the draft then there’s a dead period until free agency starts. At least that’s how it was. I’m not sure if they changed it in the CBA?

 

[NMCav]

I seem to recall that trades could be made leading up to and during the draft then there’s a dead period until free agency starts. At least that’s how it was. I’m not sure if they changed it in the CBA?

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Seems like you can make trades until the 30th.

Would likely need to dump JR Smith by the 29th to ensure the team has time to waive him on the 30th though.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I seem to recall that trades could be made leading up to and during the draft then there’s a dead period until free agency starts. At least that’s how it was. I’m not sure if they changed it in the CBA?

Yeah the moratorium period is what you’re talking about—it’s when they calculate he actual salary cap and the year shifts over but the Cavs will be able to trade JR until the 30th..that’s probably the reason that is the option date TBH

 

[sailfish]

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Seems like you can make trades until the 30th.

Would likely need to dump JR Smith by the 29th to ensure the team has time to waive him on the 30th though.

I stand corrected. Thank you, sir.

 

[Ozone]

Yeah the moratorium period is what you’re talking about—it’s when they calculate he actual salary cap and the year shifts over but the Cavs will be able to trade JR until the 30th..that’s probably the reason that is the option date TBH

yeah thought I read they moved up free agency 6 hrs so it actually starts 6PM on the 30th as well which could make some differences possibly increasing smiths contract value further if he isn't traded until after the draft.

 

[RustShack]

Draft the best player available. Upside is more important than a polished product. We have coaches to polish them.

 

[CleveRocks]

See, now that’s your classic make a deal (with Phoenix) just to make a deal. Personally, I’m not taking on Johnson’s horrid contract unless the Suns throw in a 2020 unprotected first round pick.

Is it? I am thinking, if they like garland that much, you wind up with Garland and Reddish (or hunter depending on your preference) Instead of garland and Sexton. It delays the rebuild yes, but it nearly guarantees next years pick remains ours which is the same as getting an unprotected 1st. There is no way Suns "throw in" an unprotected first because regardless they suck balls next year. perhaps Sex gets you 6 straight up. Then you still have JR's contract to try to move up and grab Goga, Boi or Kabenge. At that point we start to look more like Philly. And yes Johnson's contract is terrible as is Knights, but if he is stroking threes he might be valuable at the trade deadline to a milwaukee or similar.

I am still struggling to buy into the Garland narrative, but to me a trade makes more sense than running both guards. And if you think Garland is that special then why is he the trade chip? you should be able to get more for sexton than him.

 

[inliner311]

Is it? I am thinking, if they like garland that much, you wind up with Garland and Reddish (or hunter depending on your preference) Instead of garland and Sexton. It delays the rebuild yes, but it nearly guarantees next years pick remains ours which is the same as getting an unprotected 1st. There is no way Suns "throw in" an unprotected first because regardless they suck balls next year. perhaps Sex gets you 6 straight up. Then you still have JR's contract to try to move up and grab Goga, Boi or Kabenge. At that point we start to look more like Philly. And yes Johnson's contract is terrible as is Knights, but if he is stroking threes he might be valuable at the trade deadline to a milwaukee or similar.

I am still struggling to buy into the Garland narrative, but to me a trade makes more sense than running both guards. And if you think Garland is that special then why is he the trade chip? you should be able to get more for sexton than him.

I could understand the Suns trading up for Garland but I don't think Sexton is a fit with the Suns. They need someone with ball distribution skills to get everyone they have drafted involved in the offense. I think they have said they would trade the #6 for a vet PG just in case some team was thinking about making a change.

They will have cap space and could just go after D'Angelo Russell or throw a max offer at Terry Rozier to see if Boston would match. It's not like the any of Suns wings look like a star or on the path to be a star at the moment despite the fact have a bunch of them. There is no reason they should pass up on a good wing if they can't trade up for Garland or if they don't like Coby White. Coby White is alot like Sexton so if they wanted to trade #6 for Sexton, why not just draft White.

 

[CleveRocks]

I could understand the Suns trading up for Garland but I don't think Sexton is a fit with the Suns. They need someone with ball distribution skills to get everyone they have drafted involved in the offense. I think they have said they would trade the #6 for a vet PG just in case some team was thinking about making a change.

They will have cap space and could just go after D'Angelo Russell or throw a max offer at Terry Rozier to see if Boston would match. It's not like the any of Suns wings look like a star or on the path to be a star at the moment despite the fact have a bunch of them. There is no reason they should pass up on a good wing if they can't trade up for Garland or if they don't like Coby White. Coby White is alot like Sexton so if they wanted to trade #6 for Sexton, why not just draft White.

Because Sexton is a proven commodity and white is not. And he is young, which is what phoenix will need as they develop Ayton and co.

 

[cabs]

I honestly believe that Sexton's sustainable post All-Star break play and 40% 3-point shooting season would have him at #5-#6 in this current draft.

almost every player taken in the lottery last year would comfortably be taken with pick 4 this year