2020-21 Offseason Discussion

[sportscoach]

W/R to the Ha-Seong Kim Posting.. there is a fee associated with signing him.. I believe $ 5 MM, followed by $ 4 MM followed by $ 3 MM based on a sliding scale of total dollar value for signing him up to and through $ 50 MM. So, roughly, 1/4 of his salary in addition to his salary for a $ 50 MM salary.. It is the total dollar value that these fees are paid on.. More than "probably a pass" for the Indians..

W/R to the 17 names Yankee Prospects.. article.. none of the NYY's guys have more than passing (emphasis on PASS) interest. The Rockies kid.. Ever Moya.. could be interesting.. He's a phyically mature lefty with one and possibly a second plus pitch. He's never going to be a starter.. but as an RP.. he could fit a role rather nicely if he can do a better job of command and control.. Has anyone seen this guy?..

From what I can tell about Moya, he is a hard throwing lefty, who only has one legit off speeded pitch, making him a reliever, but his command isn't great. He also hasn't gotten above A ball, so may be a stretch to get him, but the upside is there.

 

[Criznit]

NO CHANCE !!!!!

The only possible way we see Lindor suit up as an Indian in 2021 is if the Dolans add another member (cash infusion) to the ownership team.

 

[sportscoach]

The only possible way we see Lindor suit up as an Indian in 2021 is if the Dolans add another member (cash infusion) to the ownership team.

And he signs an extension with us!

 

[Huber.]

The only possible way we see Lindor suit up as an Indian in 2021 is if the Dolans add another member (cash infusion) to the ownership team.

So you're saying the FO doesn't have a minimum package requirement for Lindor?

 

[daddywags]

Read an article yesterday that said the Phillies have a Covid cash crunch. If that's so we should probably brace ourselves for an underwhelming return in the Lindor trade. OTOH free agents are going to be shocked at the offers they get which bodes well for us possibly snagging a guy or two on bargain basement one year deals. This offseason will feature more than the usual portion of teeth gnashing and wailing, that's for sure.

 

[bob2the2nd]

So you're saying the FO doesn't have a minimum package requirement for Lindor?

exactly, and how this discussion isnt in the lindor thread, i have no idea. But I find it insane that the indians dont have a minimium package requirement for lindor. At some point he as a player to make a run next year becomes more valuable than a garbage trade return

 

[jup]

The only possible way we see Lindor suit up as an Indian in 2021 is if the Dolans add another member (cash infusion) to the ownership team.

NO CHANCE !!!! Even with a cash infusion.

The Indians don't pay that kind of money even when they have a full revenue stream let alone a virus impacted one from the past season with a compromised one projected this season. Besides Frankie just isn't worth that kind of money anyway.

 

[Criznit]

NO CHANCE !!!! Even with a cash infusion.

The Indians don't pay that kind of money even when they have a full revenue stream let alone a virus impacted one from the past season with a compromised one projected this season. Besides Frankie just isn't worth that kind of money anyway.

Maybe the new investor "requires" Lindor at least start the season with us?? Of course this is all what ifisms to the extreme. I agree there is no chance Lindor plays for us in 2021, but this is the only scenario where there is a slightly better than "snowballs chance in hell" of it happening.

 

[Criznit]

So you're saying the FO doesn't have a minimum package requirement for Lindor?

They have a "wish list" certainly. But they will take what they consider the best deal.. Example in point, they took the "best" offer for Kluber, why would Lindor be any different? This is about MONEY. Baseball be damned!

 

[bob2the2nd]

NO CHANCE !!!! Even with a cash infusion.

The Indians don't pay that kind of money even when they have a full revenue stream let alone a virus impacted one from the past season with a compromised one projected this season. Besides Frankie just isn't worth that kind of money anyway.

FAKE NEWS! (because apparently we start our posts here with childish screaming)

So Lindor will come in a around 20-22 million next year. Each of the last 2 seasons the indians have paid a player 18+ million, and depending how how signing bonuses were spread 20 million could have been reached. So yes the indians have paid a player within the same pay range before (in fact each of the last 2 seasons). So the argument that the indians "dont pay that kind of money" is absolute and totally incorrect.

Furthermore the indians have already massively cut back their total salary from last year, reducing their projected payroll down to 55 million and thats WITH Lindor projected to make 21.5. So while yes we have absolutely no idea how bad the Indians did and are projected to hemorrhage money going forward and we all absolutely assume that the indians are very probable to trade Lindor. My guess is the indians FO has at least an idea of how to keep Lindor for 1 more season if no bidders arise.

 

[jup]

FAKE NEWS! (because apparently we start our posts here with childish screaming)

So Lindor will come in a around 20-22 million next year. Each of the last 2 seasons the indians have paid a player 18+ million, and depending how how signing bonuses were spread 20 million could have been reached. So yes the indians have paid a player within the same pay range before (in fact each of the last 2 seasons). So the argument that the indians "dont pay that kind of money" is absolute and totally incorrect.

Furthermore the indians have already massively cut back their total salary from last year, reducing their projected payroll down to 55 million and thats WITH Lindor projected to make 21.5. So while yes we have absolutely no idea how bad the Indians did and are projected to hemorrhage money going forward and we all absolutely assume that the indians are very probable to trade Lindor. My guess is the indians FO has at least an idea of how to keep Lindor for 1 more season if no bidders arise.

Great job bob2the2nd !!!!

Emphasis has now become screaming on this board - love the rules by which comments are prejudiced. And I am neither childish or screaming if you haven't figured that out yet.

Silly of me to think I had dealt with that last offseason when everyone was going on about how I was a shill for that "unmentionable name".

On the baseball front, you could be right that some salaries have approached $18 million. But if you actually look at their history, they trade top players at right around $17-$18 million in recent times (Kluber, Bauer). Or dump the contract if they approach $20 million (Santana and Encarnation). So say what you want about Lindor, because no one really knows what his salary will be at the moment. But $21 plus is a very likely number.

Now those contracts were all "in good times" (notice I didn't capitalize it ?? - just because I wouldn't want to be thought of as a 2 yr old throwing a tantrum) ie full fans, divisional championships and playoff runs. So go ahead and tell me a COVID impacted season with another one the horizon doesn't change that bar since my childish mind can't comprehend business world facts.

And lastly, if you are the Indians, sitting here wondering how long next season will be, and what a trade deadline deal might look like, for a rental (could be very short term) short stop (that has the real possibility of being light hitting next year) with free agency for so many "markee" short stops right around the corner, and weigh that against the $21++ you could possibly get stuck with, with no prospect return. Then compare that with a deal this off season.

The Indians FO isn't stupid and doesn't gamble much. Weigh the possibilities of the two for yourself and then come scream at me for being childish.

PS Bob - will be interesting to see which side posters fall on, the side of me back bitting your comments or the side of your attack. Because last year there was plenty of admonishment for this kind of stuff and much of it came my way - deservedly or not

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Guys, can we try to prevent this sniping from getting any worse? Thanks.

 

[Gson]

NO CHANCE !!!!!

Nuh...uh !!

whine whine whine...

...what was the other thing?..something about coach taking the wrong side of something?...

 

[bob2the2nd]

Great job bob2the2nd !!!!

Emphasis has now become screaming on this board - love the rules by which comments are prejudiced. And I am neither childish or screaming if you haven't figured that out yet.

Silly of me to think I had dealt with that last offseason when everyone was going on about how I was a shill for that "unmentionable name".

On the baseball front, you could be right that some salaries have approached $18 million. But if you actually look at their history, they trade top players at right around $17-$18 million in recent times (Kluber, Bauer). Or dump the contract if they approach $20 million (Santana and Encarnation). So say what you want about Lindor, because no one really knows what his salary will be at the moment. But $21 plus is a very likely number.

Now those contracts were all "in good times" (notice I didn't capitalize it ?? - just because I wouldn't want to be thought of as a 2 yr old throwing a tantrum) ie full fans, divisional championships and playoff runs. So go ahead and tell me a COVID impacted season with another one the horizon doesn't change that bar since my childish mind can't comprehend business world facts.

And lastly, if you are the Indians, sitting here wondering how long next season will be, and what a trade deadline deal might look like, for a rental (could be very short term) short stop (that has the real possibility of being light hitting next year) with free agency for so many "markee" short stops right around the corner, and weigh that against the $21++ you could possibly get stuck with, with no prospect return. Then compare that with a deal this off season.

The Indians FO isn't stupid and doesn't gamble much. Weigh the possibilities of the two for yourself and then come scream at me for being childish.

PS Bob - will be interesting to see which side posters fall on, the side of me back bitting your comments or the side of your attack. Because last year there was plenty of admonishment for this kind of stuff and much of it came my way - deservedly or not

Jup thank you for actually coming back and making an argument rather than just saying random stuff. What you said in this post was a significantly better post and much more appreciated than what you original said. I generally like you as a poster, but when you start a post with random shouting, and then make an off the cuff statement easily proven incorrect it takes away from the overall point.

I dont think there is any disagreement anywhere that there is a 90% chance that Lindor is going to be traded, but to think the indians dont have a back up plan (Because they dont gamble) would be illogical thinking. Thats my point you bet your ass there is absolutely a backup plan

Despite the fact that I am not a mod i try to hold posters to the standards of this board.

 

[sportscoach]

FAKE NEWS! (because apparently we start our posts here with childish screaming)

So Lindor will come in a around 20-22 million next year. Each of the last 2 seasons the indians have paid a player 18+ million, and depending how how signing bonuses were spread 20 million could have been reached. So yes the indians have paid a player within the same pay range before (in fact each of the last 2 seasons). So the argument that the indians "dont pay that kind of money" is absolute and totally incorrect.

Furthermore the indians have already massively cut back their total salary from last year, reducing their projected payroll down to 55 million and thats WITH Lindor projected to make 21.5. So while yes we have absolutely no idea how bad the Indians did and are projected to hemorrhage money going forward and we all absolutely assume that the indians are very probable to trade Lindor. My guess is the indians FO has at least an idea of how to keep Lindor for 1 more season if no bidders arise.

I'll be honest, if the Indians keep Lindor, the team you see now, will be the team for the entire season. They won't be able to acquire anymore talent and whatnot. They have too many holes on the roster to keep it as is. They need to cut cap, and moving Lindor should create enough cap space to fill in all the holes. I just dont think we can get the wild card spot with the roster the way it is currently.

Nuh...uh !!

whine whine whine...

...what was the other thing?..something about coach taking the wrong side of something?...

We shall see who is on the wrong side when things are said and done If I am wrong leave me to my delusions lol